Howard Devoto Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 "Easy way out of the reffing problem is to have two refs at each of any top meetings". There were two refs - Tony Steele was in the Box with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 "Easy way out of the reffing problem is to have two refs at each of any top meetings". There were two refs - Tony Steele was in the Box with him. Kevin Coombes was in the refs box as well, He would have made better decisions than that Pole  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Is the referee really an idiot?.....Or is Olsen the puppet master here? That ref is an idiot and shouldnt be let any where near a speedway track again.The FIM,Ole Olsen or who ever appointed him need to take a long look at themselves especially as he is down to do the next two GPs.It makes the sport a laughing stock.He must have been the only one in the stadium who thought to exclude Adams + Pederson was the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno4 Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 The referee was a complete idiot. The only consolation for me was that 'push em off Pederson' didn't win the final and the ref lost the big wad he had on with the bookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 and the ref lost the big wad he had on with the bookie. Oww never thought of that one before with betting being allowed within speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 After a nights sleep time to take stock with a clear head. Â THE REF WAS A COMPLETE TOSSER. Â He ruined what is the showpiece Speedway GP. When Adams got excluded I was gobsmaked. I couldn't believe the ref could make such a terrible decision, especialy as he had the added bonus of TV angles. It was a clear case of all 4 back. I felt sorry for Adams who had I thought been very hard done by. the fact that it cost him a place in the semis doubly made it a bad call. Â Yet worse was to come. In the first semi, Bjarne, who had shown at last what he was capable of on the world stage, blasted again from the tape to lead going into the first bend. NP tried to come across, didn't make it and bailed out. Bye bye Nicki. But no. The thoughts of the terrible Adams decision came back to my mind. Surely the ref wouldn't make the same mistake again, would he? He surely didn't beieve that two wrongs don't make a right, does he? Â Yes he does. Because he excluded Bjarne when he did absolutely nothing wrong. Bjarne was devistated. He was in the form to win the GP, is desperate for points, and this dickhead referee robbed him of his chance of glory. Â Everyone in the stadium called it. All 4 back, or NP out as the cause of the stoppage. Except the ref. Â I really hope the referee is removed from the GP roster so he can never ruin what is the jewel in the GP crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Â Spot on Steve....some real bewildering decisions, though when we consider the 'Danish influence' its seems there is a preference to one Dane before the other. Â Bjarne was really impressive last night, showed what he was capable of - hope he has a dip of form when hes at Brandon though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Was this the same ref who excluded Crumpy 3 times a couple of years ago? Â If those incidents had taken place in League Speedway I am sure they would have been all 4 back, can't imagine any ref anywhere else who would have excluded Leigh or Bjarne. Â Nicki plays a very clever game with his swoops from gate 4, he knows that if he doesn't make it he can always collect a bump and slide into the relative comfort of the air fence. The very least he gets an all 4 back, tonight he got the bonus of the innocent parties being excluded. When you consider the exclusion for Crumpy when he barely touched Nicki in an earlier round whether there are darker forces at work? Maybe the refs don't want to upset Olsen? Be interesting to see the Speedway Star's spin on the events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 having seen the replay footage.  the only thing i agree with is that he made a decision, i dont like the all four back, its a ref chickening out.  However rather suggest the ref is an idiot, as i assume he has lots of experience?  What about the alternnative? all the bad decisions favoured a certain rider......  go figure! £££££££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastword Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I think I've just solved it! Â Remember that 'big screen' that refused to work all night? Â THAT was where Mr G. the referee was watching the racing! Simple when you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 thousands queuing up to stick the boot in   Was that an option ? - damn must have missed that !! - would have gladly paid a quid for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpin23699 Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 The referee had no option to exclude Bjarne Pedersen. As it was a carbon copy of the Leigh Adams incident he'd have been admitting his mistake it he'd gone any other way. Pedersen should have gone.He made no attempt to even lean the bike over, but waited for the touch to take him into the air fence and get another shot at it.The fact that there was an exclusion in each of the races was a bonus. Â Just got back from Specsavers and there was this big bearded Eastern European in there. I'm sure i've seen him somewhere before...ummm....now where......umm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 The referee had no option to exclude Bjarne Pedersen. As it was a carbon copy of the Leigh Adams incident he'd have been admitting his mistake it he'd gone any other way. Pedersen should have gone.He made no attempt to even lean the bike over, but waited for the touch to take him into the air fence and get another shot at it.The fact that there was an exclusion in each of the races was a bonus. You're not wrong that the ref had no choice. He made a rod for his own back by taking the first decision. But I don't agree that Bjarne should have been excluded, since he did what any other rider would have done to gain an advantage at the first bend and baulk those behind (that's what speedway is all about!) - it wasn't his fault another rider chose to go into the back of him. In fact, incidents like that occur practically every match but I don't think I've ever seen the rider in front excluded twice in the same match before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) The referee was a disgrace. Being a Poole fan I'm a big fan of Bjarne, I was expecting him to put in his usual lacklustre GP performances last night but he had a real chance of winning or a podium place at least. I lost all interest in the meeting after that shocking decision. I hope the ref is never allowed near a speedway meeting again. Edited June 29, 2008 by Hector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 You had to feel sorry for BP. And question the sanity of Kelvin Tatum MBE when he stated that Adams (and by implication BP) had drifted off his line. Who the hell had drifted most? Nicki P started a foot from the safety fence and ended up clipping a rider about a yard away from the white line. If I'd been refereeing, I'd have called all four back first time around, giving Nicki P the benefit of the doubt, then concluded Nicki P was extracting the urine and excluded him in the BP one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) I also seem to remember AJ getting excluded by this ref at Eskilstuna the first year for touching the tapes, when I think it was Anton who touched. I seem to remember the post race interview with AJ being asked if he would change anything and his reply was "just the F*****G referee". Edited June 29, 2008 by Paragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I am sure that this referee was the same referee that once excluded Crumpy three times in GP, and he was a disgrace, and should be kicked out of GP refereeing, and it doers make me wonder if Bjarne Pedersen and Leigh Adams were Polish would the outcome have been different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 LOOKING at the size of the ref maybe he kept on pooping out to the fast food booths when the racing started and had to rush back to make the call.He was most most prob annoyed that his aussie and danish burger got cold,so he ordered a pederson burger!!!!!! PS YES IVE LOST THE PLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 I am sure that this referee was the same referee that once excluded Crumpy three times in GP, and he was a disgrace, and should be kicked out of GP refereeing, and it doers make me wonder if Bjarne Pedersen and Leigh Adams were Polish would the outcome have been different.  most certainly it would have if we go back to the ref's first season in GP reffing....... I seem to remember a few decisions that heavily went Tomasz Gollob's way................. however just like Rune Holta has been able to it looks like the ref has changed his nationalty  having slept on this I am so incensed by last night that I think a couple of letters are in order for IMG and the FIM .................... if people dont actively do something about this it will be conveniently swept under the carpet and no doubt happen again later in the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 most certainly it would have if we go back to the ref's first season in GP reffing....... I seem to remember a few decisions that heavily went Tomasz Gollob's way................. however just like Rune Holta has been able to it looks like the ref has changed his nationalty having slept on this I am so incensed by last night that I think a couple of letters are in order for IMG and the FIM .................... if people dont actively do something about this it will be conveniently swept under the carpet and no doubt happen again later in the season Found a place where you can send comments to the FIM....I have already done so and I suggest others do. http://www.fim.ch/en/guestBook.asp?item=57 This is the FIM guestbook.....they don't seem to have an email address....wonder why?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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