sandman Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Another absolutely ridiculous decision. The bloke's not fit to clean bins out, let alone run a massive Speedway meeting. There is nothing wrong with cleaning bins out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooky Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 And to think this Referee is due to oversee two more GP's this year.......................can't wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 No, because it was Pedersen's fault on both occasions - and he drops it way too easily when he could stay on the bike. Spot on - add it to the fact that he touched the tapes and there's no way Pedersen should have been IN the semis never mind the final. The ref is a complete idiot!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Any of our polish friends know if this ref takes charge of polish matches or is he just oles friend ?!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziemonster Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 initially felt sorry for leigh tonight but Bjarne was flying and could've won it. never seen such a shocking ref display ever - i hope he gets banned now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 never seen such a shocking ref display ever - i hope he gets banned now!!! He was just as bad 3 years ago when he excluded Jason Crump 3 times but nothing was ever done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOL Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 (edited) ref's a disgrace,always has been,Nikki came straight across from the start,most other times he's usually got his nose in front and gets away with it but this time he wasn't so quick off the mark and ran into Leigh and Bjarne,he even clouted Hans on the way,it's the refs call but smirking up at the crowd walking into the tunnel wont win him any fans.How the ref has always been in charge of FIM meetings when Tony Steele was actually ruled out one year is beyond me,maybe something will finally be done now,a top intenation meeting has been ruined for some guys and we have a false result,i agree,Nikki should of been excluded for tape touching too and shouldn't of even been in the semis,not his fault but there you go... Edited June 28, 2008 by LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Any of our polish friends know if this ref takes charge of polish matches or is he just oles friend ?!!!!!!!! Any of our polish friends know if this ref takes charge of polish matches or is he just oles friend ?!!!!!!!! Any of our polish friends know if this ref takes charge of polish matches or is he just oles friend ?!!!!!!!! Did it really need asked three times? Yes, Marek Wojaczek regularly takes charge of Polish fixtures. I don't think he's too popular there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 And what was Kelvin Tatum on about, saying Leigh came off hi line! That was one of the more baffling things about the night. Tatum initially said Adams would be lucky to get away with it and then the next thing you know he's going on about what a terrible decision it was and how hard done to Adams was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (sean b @ Jun 28 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> kelvin tatum is a disgrace saying its justice nicki has fallen off agree about tatum beeing a disgrace for saying it was justice nicki got knocked off by holta what an idiot tatum is Tatum initially said Adams would be lucky to get away with it and then the next thing you know he's going on about what a terrible decision it was and how hard done to Adams was. Tatum is an idiot and a disgrace as a commentator. He is so biased and when he isn't he turns himself inside out changing his opinions AJ to miss the start now Twice now...made a flier, is it a crime? or a decent start It's a crime because he was moving forward chancing it. Glad he didn't get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Tatum is an idiot and a disgrace as a commentator. He is so biased and when he isn't he turns himself inside out changing his opinions It's always pleasing to find common ground with people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 i agree with midnight lady about AJ. It was clear that he took two very wild chances. Luckily the ref actually had his glasses on this time. It would have been awful if AJ would have gotten away with it. I saw that someone suggested thar two false (jump) starts in the same heat =exclusion, you know like in Athletics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) Dear Jerzy Szczakiel would've been proud of Jonsson's starts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP5T64GNzk Nicki P would've been less than impressed if the referee had followed the example in the above. Edited June 29, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 What a shame that this imbecile ref ruined what was an eventful night.................... or is it? imo a few things shined a light into a shady area where most of us would fear to look.......................... not excluding Nicki for tape touching............ not taking the time to watch a replay of a race finish that was obviously very tight but involved a rival of nicki's (this adding to said rival not qualifying)............... excluding two guys for incidents in the first bend that involved Nicki................ inexplicably playing games with the time taken to raise the tapes in the semis Why was this guy given Tony Steele's quota last season? Why was he obsessed with cutting Nicki a break with every incident? Who is it that is responsible for choosing the referees? What nationality is this 'employer'? the sad fact is that he took the spotlight tonight...... he wrecked leigh Adams season....... he protected nicki P in 3 separate incidents which allowed him to score 4 more points than he probably would have .....not to mention taking points away from others..................... and he discredited a sport in what should be one of its finest hours with the worlds media watching Despite nicki choosing to adopt age old Hans Neilsen tactics of making sure that if he doesnt get to the 2nd bend first that someone takes him out............... and clearly coming across too early in both incidents...... in fact in the second he had already been smacked by hans due to veering across early................... despite all of these tactics it still should have been all 4 back........... the ref was under no pressure to do anything else and yet he allowed the scenario where the worlds media who are already less than convinced about speedway have walked away scratching their heads about the over complex and seemingly unfair rules the important thing for me here is the shady area where few of us really want to look....................... why were the tapes held for longer in the semi's? what was the justification because from my angle it looked dodgy and one of the oldest tricks in the book.................. why wasnt the all 4 back option chosen as it would have been in 99% of other similar cases? ................... why wasnt nicki excluded for tape touching? something smells and it is time that the GP's were cleaned of all biased dodginess going on in the background .............. if they cant do it fairly they shouldnt do it at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) As far as I'm aware, referees are appointed by the FIM, which, in practice, probably means the uber-golem Olsen. But Tomaz Pozrl is the expert when it comes to the FIM. Edited June 29, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 As far as I'm aware, referees are appointed by the FIM, which, in practice, probably means the uber-golem Olsen. But Tomaz Pozrl is the expert when it comes to the FIM. tbh it was a bit of a rhetorical question.............. Olsen is the very same guy that used to pressurise refs into changing decisions ...... he is still fiddling with the outcome of things...... just in a different way speedway has enough problems without this ....... when are the right people going to do the right thing and force him out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 speedway has enough problems without this ....... when are the right people going to do the right thing and force him out? Never. Everyone fears him. He'll probably still be dictating the course of speedway from beyond the grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 If enough people speak up it will happen I am a huge fan of the GP's (not that I wasnt of the old world final model) ......... but i'm left wondering what it is all worth after tonight ........... this is not simply serving up a slick track to suit certain riders.... this treads in areas where other sports have taken a long time to regain credibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 So nicki should of been excluded when his front wheel was taken away from him ok i understand that What planet are you from? Bascially, all you have to do now off Gate 4 is ride across everyone until you hit the back or side of someone, at which point you go down and the OTHER rider gets excluded. Pathetic, no, Disgraceful decisions from the referee on both the Adams/Nicki & Bjarne/Nicki incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Should of been all 4 back 1st time and all 4 back this time the ref is a joke what is he doing No it shouldn't. The all 4 back rule is for BUNCHING. i.e. when several riders bunch together and one RUNS OUT OF ROOM. This was not the case, Pedersen had the entire track to ride on, but chose both times to ride into the side/back of other riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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