LisaColette Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 So who thinks that Nicki Pedersen will refuse to ride in next year's British Final? (no me neither)As to this abject excuse for a top international referee I expect it will be business as usual, even though we should be looking at a GP series with a very exciting 4 point gap between the top two, rather than the 10 point gap Nicki undeservedly holds this morning. Anyone who had backed Bjarne Pedersen at 25/1 should feel especially cheated as he looked certain to qualify for final before Nicki rode into the back of him, and had a real chance of winning this. A great event ruined by a complete buffoon of a referee. i thought only brits could ride in the british final!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDon Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 i thought only brits could ride in the british final!! bang to rights. Of course I was only testing to see which of you were awake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tap667 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Some very valid points from BP there - though I suspect his comments on Saturday night (if asked) may have been more heated. The problem is, are the powers that run the GP series listening to any of this ? But surely it's up to the riders to get together and state the case. All of them meet up most weeks in one place or another. I'm amazed that they put up with dangerous tracks, but there's no need to put up with an incompetent fool in charge as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Why dont the GP riders refuse to race in the next GP meeting if that Pratt of a Pole is down to ref the meeting. Ole Olsen will be in bother then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Why dont the GP riders refuse to race in the next GP meeting if that Pratt of a Pole is down to ref the meeting. Ole Olsen will be in bother then I heard a rumour he's down to ref the final GP in Germany, including the Super Prix final. $120,000 riding on the decision of this man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Why dont the GP riders refuse to race in the next GP meeting if that Pratt of a Pole is down to ref the meeting. Ole Olsen will be in bother then I heard in commentary Eastie that he's doing Latvia & Gelsenkirchen. Personally, his performance on Saturday should be reported by F.I..M Jury President &former rider Ila Teromaa,this guy has been useless from day one &they should surely be looking at revoking his F.I.M license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Bjarne Pedersen has suggested that the riders should demand the ref is axed. The referee obviously isn't up to the job and neither is the FIM if they don't take some sort of action. Edited June 30, 2008 by Hector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I heard a rumour he's down to ref the final GP in Germany, including the Super Prix final. $120,000 riding on the decision of this man. I doubt it the riders will share the money 4 ways like they did last year and like they did at poole . These so called winner take all of a waste of time unless your a rider who makes the final . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDon Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 My deepest sympathys go to Leigh & Bjarne. You were both cheated. Was Leigh cheated twice?, I was at the stadium and haven't seen any replays at home since but from the TV replays on big screen I couldn't see how the ref could have awarded either rider in his heat with Hancock the outright win. Not really a good idea to well and truly screw a Robins rider with half of Swindon on a day out in Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Was Leigh cheated twice?, I was at the stadium and haven't seen any replays at home since but from the TV replays on big screen I couldn't see how the ref could have awarded either rider in his heat with Hancock the outright win. Not really a good idea to well and truly screw a Robins rider with half of Swindon on a day out in Cardiff. i'm sure it was the whole of swindon!! there are always loads of swindon fans at cardiff, way more than i have ever seen at blunsdon on a thursday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Pirate Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I had the dubious pleasure of meeting our Polish friend in our Hotel lift lobby on Sunday morning, I exited lift no. 1 with kid's buggy and was duly clipped from behind by some fellow buggy pusher who came from lift no. 4. To my amazement, the ref who was still in saturday night mode, excluded me from the race to the car park entrance, but I was clearly in front !!! I got straight on the phone to reception and was told in perfect English by a Ms Olsen that she didn't understand English !! In all seriousness, Mr Wojaczek looked a little nervous stood by himself in the lift lobby area in the basement, I duly did my duty to all Stadium attendees and had a few choice words and confirmed there was a Specsavers in the main High Street. Some truly shocking decisions made on the night and we can only hope that the powers that be, look at the video and remove Mr Wojaczek from the Latvian and German GP's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 One interesting point from the whole Adams/Pedersen incident..... Watched the Sky coverage (that we recorded) when we got back - just to see if this time Leigh DIDN'T get excluded (ever the optimist you see ) .... and Pearson says "I can tell you this we will be re-run with all four back" and Tatum agrees with him and says virtually the same thing. In fact, Pearson was saying it yet again, when he had to correct himself and announce Leigh's exclusion! Now - where were they getting their information from? who told them that it was going to be all four back? (as they were really quite definite about it) Did the ref make one decision and then change his mind? Its probably just that duo being "not quite with it" again - but it seemed very strange that they were SO convinced it was going to be re-run with Adams in it!! Any ideas anyone? hmmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDon Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 .... and Pearson says "I can tell you this we will be re-run with all four back" and Tatum agrees with him and says virtually the same thing. In fact, Pearson was saying it yet again, when he had to correct himself and announce Leigh's exclusion! Now - where were they getting their information from? who told them that it was going to be all four back? (as they were really quite definite about it) I suspect they were just preempting what everyone thought would be the right decision. I started to think he was going to exclude somebody when there was delay in announcing his decision, but was absolutely staggered to see the red light go on. The second instance came as no surprise, although an equally poor decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Just a case of Pearson being his usual 'know-all' self. I love it when he's made to look like a pillock - even if the ref WAS wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Despite the obvious bias against Nicki on this thread, most seem to have discounted the rules of the sport. No such ruling as 'all4 back for 1st bend bunching'. In the case of a collision, when all 4 are attempting to go for the racing line, the referee allows an unsatisfactory start when a rider is usually downed. In the first decision, Leigh deliberately chose to go past the racing line nearest the kerbing to block the line on Nicki, and took the front wheel away of Nicki who was going in midtrack. The sole cause of the stoppage was the rider riding into Nicki and that was Leigh. Most referees these days tend not to want to make a decision and settle for the easy 'unsatisfactory start' decision. This ref was hard and stuck to the rules as laid down. Unfortunately for Bjarne, he did an identical move at the same spot, and for the same reason, and therefore because of Leigh's decision had to have a similiar exclusion. It was a shame for Mr Clean and Mr Nice as some other riders have been included in the all4back when they have clearly been the cause of previous stoppages. I wonder what the refs decision would have been if Hans had fallen on the first bend when Jason did a very similar and more violent and dramatic drift across Hans's line from an inside gate. The decisions were hard and surprised many, but they were not wrong and they were not the fault of the downed rider. As to Nicki staying down, there are 2 reasons as others have alluded to. One is he was buying time to get his bike checked out to repair it or to get a second bike set up in time for the rerun. The second is at the usual insistence of the doc/firstaiders to check everything over and get his breath back prior to standing up incase he feints on standing up. Standard practice for all riders and NOT invented by, or being played out soley by, the nation's villian Nicki. The collision from Rune was just a pure lift and go after Rune hit a rut and lost it. True to form of course, the illogical decide to boo Nicki just to check their lungs were working. Nice to see Rune go up to nicki and apologise for HIS mistake. Not the best of nights for Nicki and fortunate to make the semi's but then fully deserved his place in the final. A bad gate, and a nip by Greg and Jason, and there was obviously too much for him to do to catch them. Despite causing his own downfall on the home straight, he managed to drag his bike across the track to prevent stopping the race. What a man. I think Jason owes Nicki twice now as I seem to remember the same senario last year when it was also Jason in the lead and Nicki did the same thing then. As others have said, people like Nicki go better when they are seen to be the villian. A 2 times World Champion, and leading this year as well, he is no clown/cheat and is better than almost every rider in the world. The scene would be a lot duller if the Nicki's, Hans, Jason's of the world were not in the field. They excite the meeting and don't back off especially when the prize is the World Championship. Best of luck to Nicki for the rest of the year. It was noticible that the downed rider was always Nicki, I wonder why. Go Nicki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkbandit Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Specsavers actually sponsor Scottish referees and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference, all decisions still go in a Glasgow direction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I doubt it the riders will share the money 4 ways like they did last year and like they did at poole . These so called winner take all of a waste of time unless your a rider who makes the final . I don't think it is Winner-take -all in the final GP this year. There will be amounts to all four riders in the Super GP final, as I understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Bjarne Pedersen has suggested that the riders should demand the ref is axed. The referee obviously isn't up to the job and neither is the FIM if they don't take some sort of action. Well they haven't taken any action before on refereeing decisions that we don't agree with. After all, this referee was the same person who excluded Jason Crump three times in 2005! Tony Steele has also made some dubious decisions in the Gps, as he has done in recent League matches in this country. The final decision is always down to one person...the referee, unfortunately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobalinks Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't think it is Winner-take -all in the final GP this year. There will be amounts to all four riders in the Super GP final, as I understand it. 1st 120K 2nd 40K 3rd 25K 4th 15K US Dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I don't think it is Winner-take -all in the final GP this year. There will be amounts to all four riders in the Super GP final, as I understand it. Yes, the prizes are :- 1st $120k 2nd $40k 3rd $25k 4th $15k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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