Under 21 Team World Championship

[Stephen Lambert]

I can confirm that Simon Lambert did not manage to score points and only had 4 rides. He was replaced in his 5th ride in heat 18.

 

I am told from Czech republic that the score was:

 

Sweden 41

Czech Rep. 38

England 36

Russia 35

 

So that would make Anders post right.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Anne Lambert

 

[Subedei]

Ah well, I think we're all sorted out then - that's good. But, just looking back, Sweden could've used Jonasson as a tactical substitute a number of times but chose not to.

[Anders]

I can confirm that Simon Lambert did not manage to score points and only had 4 rides. He was replaced in his 5th ride in heat 18.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Anne Lambert

 

Thank you, Anne!

 

Ah well, I think we're all sorted out then - that's good. But, just looking back, Sweden could've used Jonasson as a tactical substitute a number of times but chose not to.

 

Yes, Jonasson (3,3,3) replacing Gustafsson (0,0) in heat 14 when 7 points down must have seemed logical at the time, despite facing Laguta. Well, sports ain't logical, or what's the saying?

[Chris]

Why was "Rambo lambo" used?

 

He can only ride one sodding track. Where were Tully or Mear? Both better riders and with much better averages.

 

If you turn up with four and the others have five its going to be a major disadvantage.

[Shadders]

Why was "Rambo lambo" used?

 

He can only ride one sodding track. Where were Tully or Mear? Both better riders and with much better averages.

 

If you turn up with four and the others have five its going to be a major disadvantage.

100% correct.

B4E just mentioned Andrew Tully. He looked fantastic at Rye. Couldn't he have taken Roynons place?

Edited June 8, 2008 by Shadders

[salty]

Thought it strange that Tully, Mear or even Auty weren't considered. Maybe it was a logistic/cost issue?

Disappointing not to reach the Final.

[BigFatDave]

Thought it strange that Tully, Mear or even Auty weren't considered. Maybe it was a logistic/cost issue?

Disappointing not to reach the Final.

............but indicative of the state of Pommie Speedway - no wonder Tai picked being a Brit - darn sight easier route to SGP etc than if he'd decided to be an Aussie.

[Star Lady]

Why was "Rambo lambo" used?

 

He can only ride one sodding track. Where were Tully or Mear? Both better riders and with much better averages.

 

If you turn up with four and the others have five its going to be a major disadvantage.

 

Up until the time I stopped going to Lynn I was never a fan of Simon Lambert, so please don't say I'm biased, but AFAIK it was his first taste of anything on the "world/European" stage. These meetings are a different standard from the PL meeting which these riders normally ride in and I would guess that the equipment used is in many cases similarly higher. British riders tho do not get the support that the Brits do. It would be very difficult to say that Tully or Mear or any other Brit would have done any better on their first outing in this standard of meeting. They may have been brilliant, they may also have scored nothing. No one can say.

 

Britain needs to give all British riders experience to benefit both them and the national side all the help they can. If a rider doesn't come up with a massive haul of points on their first try, it doesn't mean they never will.

 

Lambert now has had a taste of a higher standard meeting, it will do him nothing but good. Tully and Mear's turn will come I'm sure. I just hope if they do score nothing, they are not slagged off to the same degree.

 

[iris123]

British riders tho do not get the support that the Brits do.

Britain needs to give all British riders experience to benefit both them and the national side all the help they can. If a rider doesn't come up with a massive haul of points on their first try, it doesn't mean they never will.

 

Lambert now has had a taste of a higher standard meeting, it will do him nothing but good. Tully and Mear's turn will come I'm sure. I just hope if they do score nothing, they are not slagged off to the same degree.

Not sure what you mean by the first bit.Guess you meant some other nation

 

I was also a little surprised that Andrew Tully wasn't in as replacement.He didn't look bad last week in Germany.But we can all be clever afterwards.I totally agree with the last bit though.

 

It is like i said last week.How do the youngsters get meetings on other tracks when the demand for their services especially in the PL(and then maybe double-down in CL as well)means they rarely have a free weekend.

Good to see Ricky Ashworth in Krsko yesterday.Plus i see that Lambert,Hopwood and Wrathall(guessing they are all Brits) are in Poland in a weeks time.Probably due to the promoter and Mr MSJ rather than any British initiative though

 

And i will also repeat myself on the Aussies They also get next to no support.I remember the lads coming over for the Youth Gold Trophy all had the wrong helmets because of false info from the federation in Oz.But somehow,with no league speedway and the speedway they have is often alongside cars,so isn't the main thing on the programme(is it?)their riders are breaking through into the top.Wouldn't bet against them finishing second in this competition behind the Danes

[Hazzman]

One encouragement was that it looks like Woffinden can mix it with the best of the international, junior scene.

[Stephen Lambert]

Up until the time I stopped going to Lynn I was never a fan of Simon Lambert, so please don't say I'm biased, but AFAIK it was his first taste of anything on the "world/European" stage. These meetings are a different standard from the PL meeting which these riders normally ride in and I would guess that the equipment used is in many cases similarly higher. British riders tho do not get the support that the Brits do. It would be very difficult to say that Tully or Mear or any other Brit would have done any better on their first outing in this standard of meeting. They may have been brilliant, they may also have scored nothing. No one can say.

 

Britain needs to give all British riders experience to benefit both them and the national side all the help they can. If a rider doesn't come up with a massive haul of points on their first try, it doesn't mean they never will.

 

Lambert now has had a taste of a higher standard meeting, it will do him nothing but good. Tully and Mear's turn will come I'm sure. I just hope if they do score nothing, they are not slagged off to the same degree.

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I do not usually post any comments on this forum but I do feel that after reading what people are saying on here they ought to know a few facts. In simons defence.

 

Yes it was Simons first outing on the 'world stage'

Yes these meetings are a different standard from the PL meetings

Yes the equipment used in these meetings is of a higher standard

 

Considering Simon only had 4 days notice due to Adam Roynons injury there was no time to get better engines for this big track. We stepped in at the last minute and will be at least £1000 out of pocket. Simon did not ask to be in the team but other riders were not available. I agree that that the experience has done him good and hope that the people criticising now realise the facts. Also it was a 22 hour day yesterday.

 

[TwoMinuteWarning]

It seems like Sweden has delicate problem to make before the final. Today, Ricky and Simon had a bad night, will the swedish coach replace them with Kim N and Linus E, who actually qualified for the seminfinal in the junior World Championship.

 

It looks good for the future of Swedish speedway

 

GB would love to have a "problem" like that!

[salty]

I do not usually post any comments on this forum but I do feel that after reading what people are saying on here they ought to know a few facts. In simons defence.

 

Yes it was Simons first outing on the 'world stage'

Yes these meetings are a different standard from the PL meetings

Yes the equipment used in these meetings is of a higher standard

 

Considering Simon only had 4 days notice due to Adam Roynons injury there was no time to get better engines for this big track. We stepped in at the last minute and will be at least £1000 out of pocket. Simon did not ask to be in the team but other riders were not available. I agree that that the experience has done him good and hope that the people criticising now realise the facts. Also it was a 22 hour day yesterday.

Personally don't think you need to defend Simon. There has been only one posting I would consider negative, I questioned why other riders like Tully were not used, but guessed they were unavailable for whatever reason.

Hats off to Simon for taking on the booking, it is surely a joke that riders who do step up for meetings like this face such a financial loss.

Although I understand there are confidentiality issues, I'm sure a lot of supporters would be interested to know what support the riders actually receive from the authorities for these meetings.

 

[Subedei]

I'd imagine that roughly half of the GP riders operate at a loss in the circus. The prize money isn't that great. It's only about $11,000 for winning a GP and when you consider all the machinery expenses and mechanics and so forth, if you finish stone last and pick up circa $2,000, you're surely going to be out of pocket.

[Hazzman]

I'd imagine that roughly half of the GP riders operate at a loss in the circus. The prize money isn't that great. It's only about $11,000 for winning a GP and when you consider all the machinery expenses and mechanics and so forth, if you finish stone last and pick up circa $2,000, you're surely going to be out of pocket.

 

It's a point I made if Haines or Roberts did any better in the British U-21 Final thus earning a place in the Under 21 Qualifiers. The expense would be massive, way too much for a Premier League reserve to shell out. I suspect that a number of riders seen the amount it would of cost them to pay for a mechanic to drive all the way and then possibly miss two paydays in the Premier League. Then add for the arrangement of themselves to make it via flight or with the mechanic.

[T.N.T.]

Chris Harris is Australian ?

 

Strange how the Auusies seem to have Chris Harris in their U-21 squad

[iris123]

It's a point I made if Haines or Roberts did any better in the British U-21 Final thus earning a place in the Under 21 Qualifiers. The expense would be massive, way too much for a Premier League reserve to shell out. I suspect that a number of riders seen the amount it would of cost them to pay for a mechanic to drive all the way and then possibly miss two paydays in the Premier League. Then add for the arrangement of themselves to make it via flight or with the mechanic.

It is the problem for most junior riders.Look at Kevin Wölbert,who made the 3,000km one-way trip to Balakovo recently.Luckily for him it was worth it and he made it through.But imagine if one of those young French riders ad to make such a trip!So far the Scandinavian juniors have their own zonal qualification rounds.But it seems they are soon to be scrapped.They did away with the senior Nordic quali in the European Championships this year.Would it really be worth the young Norwegians or Finns travelling down to Italy,Ukraine or Slovenia just to get 1 or 2 points?

Having said that,and harking back to the dedication of the Aussies.Just look at what expense the families of those youngsters competing in the 80cc World Championships go through.Coming all the way over to Europe for a week just so their sons can compete against the best youths in the world.Fantastic in my eyes and deserves success.Then compare that to how many British youngsters enter the competition each year?

[spook]

How many British youngsters ride 80cc? Is there a British organisation that runs 80cc?

[iris123]

How many British youngsters ride 80cc? Is there a British organisation that runs 80cc?

There wasn't a single one of the Australian lads that had sat on an 80cc bike until they arrived in Denmark it think i am right in saying.Remember one of the fathers telling me they were put through their paces by Danish trainer Henning Clausen(?) and he was yelling that they were doing evrything wrong a few days before the competition.I think they have now brought some bikes of their own,but don't think their is still an official 80cc competition in Oz.They just do it off their own backs

Edited June 9, 2008 by iris123

[salty]

Don't know if I just have a blind spot, but I have been unable to find a report on last weekend's semi in this weeks Speedway Star.

If the premier news mag of the sport in Britain can't report such a meeting it says something about how important the Under 21's are in the scheme of things.