King Jamie Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 How are the riders for each team decided? Just highest averaged 2? 2 from the top 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Ok, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzell Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 How are the riders for each team decided? Just highest averaged 2? Surely it should be the riders that rode for there teams in the heat 15's that qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 A couple of questions I wonder if someone can clarify for me 1. Birmingham were given 3 'fake' points on three occassions as heat 15 was not, for one reason or another, run. Why were King's Lynn not given the same? Birmingham must have been given the third '3' for the meeting which has not taken place against King's Lynn towards their qualifying total as otherwise they would have finished on 15 which was NOT enough to qualify. (It means Birmingham qualified thanks to a 5-1, 1-5, 3-3 as they were the only 'true' scores that counted) 2. Three teams finished tied on 17 for the final qualifying place. Newport sadly are no longer so how was the choice made between Edinburgh and Stoke as to who got the last qualifying spot? Stoke had a 5-1 in their favour in their totals, Edinburgh didn't, that was one area I looked at. As a result it means they also lost a 1-5 where Edinburgh didn't. Surely that can't have been what decided it tho? Presumably IoW got the wild card as current holders but imo it has just been highlighted once more that you either have to factor in two pairs 'qualifiers' or have a format on the day to include all sides. Before any of the usual candidates have a go I am merely asking these questions out of curiosity, not having a dig at any team. Thanks in advance Life's too short to involve myself in the politics of the event , so i applaud your diligence Lioness . In typical speedway fashion the half thought out rules are full of impondrables and grey areas . Think i'll just go and enjoy the two riders racing against another two riders bit and lose myself in the magnificence of it all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 The tie between Edinburgh and Stoke was split in the following manner: The number of first places in the counting heat 15s - both teams were equal so: The number of second places in the counting heat 15s - both teams were equal so: The number of third places in the counting heat 15s - both teams were equal so: The team which finished higher in their qualifying group in the Premier Trophy which was Edinburgh. So there you are - it makes as much sense as counting heat 15s in the first place, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 well thats just silly Merlin.... a far better way would be to give it to who had the best Teng Tools set surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Surely it should be the riders that rode for there teams in the heat 15's that qualified. Well alot of teams had different riders in each heat 15, I know Somerset did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Surely it should be the riders that rode for there teams in the heat 15's that qualified. It's a good job Newport are not in it then, as Watson, Truminski, Atkin and Simmons would all be in the meeting The qualifying idea was good, provided everyone knew and it had been bigged up prior to each heat 15 that counted. It would have made heat 15 in the dead and buried meeting worth something. As it was, I doubt most fans knew about it. Surely if the teams tie on points, you could bonus points? It's about being a pair after all? The picking 2 form top 3 is a good idea too, IMO. That said, what averages? Cut of date? With/without bonus points? When do you pick your pair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 well thats just silly Merlin.... a far better way would be to give it to who had the best Teng Tools set surely? That about sums it up but I wonder what the result would have been if they'd rescored the heat 15 results (for the sake of Pairs qualifications) on the pairs format (4-3-2-0). A bit revolutionary I know but just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Wouldn't need to the bonus point would make the same difference, 3-2-1+1 etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzell Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 It's a good job Newport are not in it then, as Watson, Truminski, Atkin and Simmons would all be in the meeting The qualifying idea was good, provided everyone knew and it had been bigged up prior to each heat 15 that counted. It would have made heat 15 in the dead and buried meeting worth something. As it was, I doubt most fans knew about it. Surely if the teams tie on points, you could bonus points? It's about being a pair after all? The picking 2 form top 3 is a good idea too, IMO. That said, what averages? Cut of date? With/without bonus points? When do you pick your pair? Thats kind of what I was trying to get at, how can they call it a best pairs qualifying system when the riders that actually got there team there may not even be riding, seems a bit silly to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 That about sums it up but I wonder what the result would have been if they'd rescored the heat 15 results (for the sake of Pairs qualifications) on the pairs format (4-3-2-0). A bit revolutionary I know but just a thought. Birmingham would drop out assuming they were granted a 3 point 'win' for the three 'missing' meetings (as opposed to a 2nd and 3rd place) with Stoke and Edinburgh then both qualifying. Kings Lynn still wouldn't make it and IoW would still be bottom:- Reading 35 Workington 34 Newcastle 33 Rye Hse 30 Sheffield 30 Somerset 30 Redcar 27 Stoke 26 Edinburgh 26 Berwick 25 Newport 25 King's Lynn 24 Glasgow 23 Mildenhall 23 Scunthorpe 23 Birmingham 22 IoW 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Birmingham would drop out assuming they were granted a 3 point 'win' for the three 'missing' meetings (as opposed to a 2nd and 3rd place) with Stoke and Edinburgh then both qualifying. Kings Lynn still wouldn't make it and IoW would still be bottom:- Reading 35 Workington 34 Newcastle 33 Rye Hse 30 Sheffield 30 Somerset 30 Redcar 27 Stoke 26 Edinburgh 26 Berwick 25 Newport 25 King's Lynn 24 Glasgow 23 Mildenhall 23 Scunthorpe 23 Birmingham 22 IoW 17 Interesting.....thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Birmingham would drop out assuming they were granted a 3 point 'win' for the three 'missing' meetings (as opposed to a 2nd and 3rd place) with Stoke and Edinburgh then both qualifying. Kings Lynn still wouldn't make it and IoW would still be bottom:- Reading 35 Workington 34 Newcastle 33 Rye Hse 30 Sheffield 30 Somerset 30 Redcar 27 Stoke 26 Edinburgh 26 Berwick 25 Newport 25 King's Lynn 24 Glasgow 23 Mildenhall 23 Scunthorpe 23 Birmingham 22 IoW 17 So the team that finished bottom of the qualification process. Gets seeded to the final due to the fact they won it last year with a rider that no longer rides for them? Bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) I actually think its a good decision to seed IOW through seeing as they are the defending champions, even if it is at the expense of my team. Thye should get the chance to win it again. Its disappointing but we just didn't earn enough heat 15 points in the PT, end of story. As SCB says the idea was a decent one and should have added interest to several matches which were done and dusted long before the final heat. Unfortunately you can't legislate for some meetings being rained off three or four times. And its a good idea that teams can choose two of their top three aswell. Hopefully Lynn will get a crack at the Fours as I reckon we could stand a half decent chance at Workington. Edited June 10, 2008 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiala Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 The Rye pairing I assume will be Tai Woffinden and Stefan Ekberg..... but will Tai be allowed to ride in this event?? As he is a Reserve for the GP the next day he will be required to take part in the Practice on the Friday. Will he then be "released" to ride in the Pairs that evening?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 As SCB says the idea was a decent one and should have added interest to several matches which were done and dusted long before the final heat. Unfortunately you can't legislate for some meetings being rained off three or four times. And its a good idea that teams can choose two of their top three aswell.You can account for it. (Points from heat 15) / (Number of heat 15s) = average heat 15 score. That way, a team that has only managed 1 gets as much chance as a team than has managed 8. Also means all PT meetings can count, not just the first 6 which could allow for fiddling if one team has done all 6 and another team is still compelting there 6. The Rye pairing I assume will be Tai Woffinden and Stefan Ekberg..... but will Tai be allowed to ride in this event?? As he is a Reserve for the GP the next day he will be required to take part in the Practice on the Friday. Will he then be "released" to ride in the Pairs that evening?? Practice is NOT compulsary. Plus Cardiff to Somerset is only just over an hour, maybe 2 hours on a Friday afternoon. So he can ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 http://www.british-speedway.co.uk/news.php?extend.1572 No Woffinden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) Well we will do bog all with Grievesy to be honest, not one of his favourite places to ride. Edited June 12, 2008 by marron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 So the team that finished bottom of the qualification process. Gets seeded to the final due to the fact they won it last year with a rider that no longer rides for them? Bonkers. Yeah I agree it is bonkers (good word!) cos the teams change so ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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