Pl Pairs

[Matousek]

Wonder if Sheffield can keep up their amazing Super7even record in this event.

Tbh on current form doolan and topinka would have been better than compton and ashworth. Reading could win this with ostergaard and lemon.

[Nemo]

nermark and niemnen to win this.

[spook]

No sympathy whatsoever for JC...... he has self promoted himself within the sport for a few seasons now and it becomes wearing when he cannot take graciously something that is the product of his own mess. Personally this would have been something I would have taken on the chin quietly and referred to at a later and less emotional point.

 

I am certain that he knew of the cut off point as per his own proposal and subsequent rules..... and I am sure that he is only too aware of what happened to the Brummies re: playoffs last season

 

If JC had included a wildcard option in his proposal then maybe that would have been an option

 

aside from all this I wonder how this can be a pairs championship when over half the teams arent even making the competition............ I see no point in running a competition unless it is going to be planned and organised well.... starting with a format where everyone has a chance......

 

p.s. shouldnt the riders actually taking part be announced?

Edited June 9, 2008 by spook

[tigerblues]

Tbh on current form doolan and topinka would have been better than compton and ashworth.

Course they would. Topinka and Doolan are both class and amongst the best in the PL and as a pairing Sheffield do not match them, IMO.

[King Jamie]

Who's representing Edinburgh?

William Lawson and Matthew Wethers

[rhidassa]

Should be a good meeting, even though Lynn aren't riding in this, still disappointed I cant attend.

Also, before the thread gets bombarded with 'hah, JC got what he deserved' comments by some.. Please remember its us fans who are more disappointed, and more likely, to read those.

 

As for who's going to take the win.. Ulrich's going to be difficult to touch, but then Somerset and Edinburgh have been flying too.. It should be a pretty awesome meeting, hard to call a flat out winner really.

[jktc666]

If JC had included a wildcard option in his proposal then maybe that would have been an option

 

It may be worth reading the press release again, their WAS a wild card option which was put in by myself, it was put their to cover eventualities like this. I have not argued with the decision I have simply expressed disapointment, the disapointment is not because it has personally affected MY earnings or stopped ME from riding a meeting, my dissapointment is actually because I want to see the best for british speedway and I personally feel that 2 riders of the calibre of Topinka and Doolan should be there for the fans too enjoy....

 

Maybe not everyone agrees but that is how I personally feel, I am sure the meeting will be a great spectacle never the less and I hope it is a big success.

[crikeythatsfast]

Thanks for clearing that up JC

[srbramble]

It may be worth reading the press release again, their WAS a wild card option which was put in by myself, it was put their to cover eventualities like this. I have not argued with the decision I have simply expressed disapointment, the disapointment is not because it has personally affected MY earnings or stopped ME from riding a meeting, my dissapointment is actually because I want to see the best for british speedway and I personally feel that 2 riders of the calibre of Topinka and Doolan should be there for the fans too enjoy....

 

Maybe not everyone agrees but that is how I personally feel, I am sure the meeting will be a great spectacle never the less and I hope it is a big success.

 

Absolutely spot on JC, but I'm sure you can see the irony? Thats what you get when you confuse everyone with the rediculous qualifying method you chose.

The Newport fiasco summed it up for me.

And,I didn't see or hear you defend the decision to omit Birmingham from the play offs last season, which, after all, was a much bigger injustice than Lynn missing out in the pairs.

 

 

[Bandits4eva]

I think the correct decision was made not to include Kings Lynn in this year’s pairs due to Isle Of Wight being the reigning champions and not qualifying directly it’s only fair they should be given the chance of defending their title.

 

In the past the champions have not qualified for competitions (e.g. 4TT- Berwick and Workington)... Were they given the chance to defend their titles? I don't think so

 

I hope that criteria of "having the chance to defend because they're last years champs" gets used in the future

[Najjer]

Looks good line up, id say rebels to win but last year they didnt even make final

 

We didn't even make the Semis!

 

But TBH, if the racing and entertainment is as good as last year, I won't care if we do the exact same as last year

[Chris]

In the past the champions have not qualified for competitions (e.g. 4TT- Berwick and Workington)... Were they given the chance to defend their titles? I don't think so

 

I hope that criteria of "having the chance to defend because they're last years champs" gets used in the future

 

Lets hope so, but that criteria shouldn't be a worry to anyone from Berwick.

 

No Lynn? As someone mentioned above, pure comedy. You couldn't make it up! Looks as though the chipmunk has pissed off the old guard real bad. Shame.

Edited June 9, 2008 by Chris

[spin king]

Never like the way this season's qualifications were decided, I would much prefer to see the teams with the highest averages go into this competition, which would see Kings Lynn qualify surely, and it seems a shame that the Stars are not there.

[Lioness]

A couple of questions I wonder if someone can clarify for me

 

1. Birmingham were given 3 'fake' points on three occassions as heat 15 was not, for one reason or another, run. Why were King's Lynn not given the same? Birmingham must have been given the third '3' for the meeting which has not taken place against King's Lynn towards their qualifying total as otherwise they would have finished on 15 which was NOT enough to qualify. (It means Birmingham qualified thanks to a 5-1, 1-5, 3-3 as they were the only 'true' scores that counted)

 

2. Three teams finished tied on 17 for the final qualifying place. Newport sadly are no longer so how was the choice made between Edinburgh and Stoke as to who got the last qualifying spot? Stoke had a 5-1 in their favour in their totals, Edinburgh didn't, that was one area I looked at. As a result it means they also lost a 1-5 where Edinburgh didn't. Surely that can't have been what decided it tho?

 

Presumably IoW got the wild card as current holders but imo it has just been highlighted once more that you either have to factor in two pairs 'qualifiers' or have a format on the day to include all sides.

 

Before any of the usual candidates have a go I am merely asking these questions out of curiosity, not having a dig at any team.

 

Thanks in advance

[crikeythatsfast]

A couple of questions I wonder if someone can clarify for me

 

1. Birmingham were given 3 'fake' points on three occassions as heat 15 was not, for one reason or another, run. Why were King's Lynn not given the same? Birmingham must have been given the third '3' for the meeting which has not taken place against King's Lynn towards their qualifying total as otherwise they would have finished on 15 which was NOT enough to qualify. (It means Birmingham qualified thanks to a 5-1, 1-5, 3-3 as they were the only 'true' scores that counted)

 

2. Three teams finished tied on 17 for the final qualifying place. Newport sadly are no longer so how was the choice made between Edinburgh and Stoke as to who got the last qualifying spot? Stoke had a 5-1 in their favour in their totals, Edinburgh didn't, that was one area I looked at. As a result it means they also lost a 1-5 where Edinburgh didn't. Surely that can't have been what decided it tho?

 

Presumably IoW got the wild card as current holders but imo it has just been highlighted once more that you either have to factor in two pairs 'qualifiers' or have a format on the day to include all sides.

 

Before any of the usual candidates have a go I am merely asking these questions out of curiosity, not having a dig at any team.

 

Thanks in advance

 

All good and valid questions Lioness, and one's I had never even thought of asking. I am sure some smarty pants will be able to answer you lol.

 

[spook]

It may be worth reading the press release again, their WAS a wild card option which was put in by myself, it was put their to cover eventualities like this. I have not argued with the decision I have simply expressed disapointment, the disapointment is not because it has personally affected MY earnings or stopped ME from riding a meeting, my dissapointment is actually because I want to see the best for british speedway and I personally feel that 2 riders of the calibre of Topinka and Doolan should be there for the fans too enjoy....

 

Maybe not everyone agrees but that is how I personally feel, I am sure the meeting will be a great spectacle never the less and I hope it is a big success.

 

ah yes so you are right..... and of course that wild card it seems has gone to the current champions..... rightly so if we want it to be a competition with any kind of standing

 

I'm sorry JC, Topinka and Doolan are class riders but we could carry on that argument throughout the other teams that failed to qualify.........

 

 

1. Birmingham were given 3 'fake' points on three occassions as heat 15 was not, for one reason or another, run. Why were King's Lynn not given the same? Birmingham must have been given the third '3' for the meeting which has not taken place against King's Lynn towards their qualifying total as otherwise they would have finished on 15 which was NOT enough to qualify. (It means Birmingham qualified thanks to a 5-1, 1-5, 3-3 as they were the only 'true' scores that counted)

 

this would explain JC's loud protestations a bit more........ it certainly does look dodgy given the way you have described it

 

2. Three teams finished tied on 17 for the final qualifying place. Newport sadly are no longer so how was the choice made between Edinburgh and Stoke as to who got the last qualifying spot? Stoke had a 5-1 in their favour in their totals, Edinburgh didn't, that was one area I looked at. As a result it means they also lost a 1-5 where Edinburgh didn't. Surely that can't have been what decided it tho?

 

Last season saw Hans Andersen go through to a GP semi over a wild card because his jacket number was higher ........ nothing in speedway rules suprises me ..... what does suprise me is that time after time the rules arent thought through before crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's and for them to be published and made clear

 

 

[Silver Bee]

Last season saw Hans Andersen go through to a GP semi over a wild card because his jacket number was higher

 

When? That doesn't need to happen. Even if the wins, seconds, thirds, fourths, exclusions and falls are the same, the race where they met decides it.

 

The only obscurity where GP results and race jackets are concerned is a dead heat.

 

[spook]

When? That doesn't need to happen. Even if the wins, seconds, thirds, fourths, exclusions and falls are the same, the race where they met decides it.

 

The only obscurity where GP results and race jackets are concerned is a dead heat.

 

 

unless of course there were 3 or 4 riders all with the same wins, seconds and thirds record and who had taken it in turns to beat each other........... which was the case here sb

 

The GP in question was Wroclaw last season and involved Hans, Rune, Jaroslaw, and Seb Ulamek........ there were two things which decided the fate of them........ one was who had tracked a normal last instead of an exclusion as it seems the FIM think a woeful last is better than an exclusion......................... the other was the number on the back of the jacket as per the finishing positions of the previous year............... the latter obviously is a mockery when it involves a wild card

[Silver Bee]

unless of course there were 3 or 4 riders all with the same wins, seconds and thirds record and who had taken it in turns to beat each other........... which was the case here sb

 

The GP in question was Wroclaw last season and involved Hans, Rune, Jaroslaw, and Seb Ulamek........ there were two things which decided the fate of them........ one was who had tracked a normal last instead of an exclusion as it seems the FIM think a woeful last is better than an exclusion......................... the other was the number on the back of the jacket as per the finishing positions of the previous year............... the latter obviously is a mockery when it involves a wild card

 

Cheers Spook, genuinely didn't know

 

I knew about the falls and exclusions being worse than a last, but couldn't remember a situation where the 3 were tied with the same wins, seconds and thirds.

[marron]

How are the riders for each team decided?

 

Just highest averaged 2?