BWitcher Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Anthony, And you still show no knowledge of speedway at all All the best Rob More abuse Rob, is that the best you can manage? So, myself 90% of the contributors on here, Sam Ermolenko, Kelvin Tatum, Lee Richardson and now Jon Cook all have 'no knowledge of speedway' because Rob thinks he knows better. Here's another quote for you from Graham Jones, former Wolves rider. "Gollob thats one of the biggest no-no's in speedway - you *******" I suppose he has no knowledge about speedway either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 So, myself 90% of the contributors on here Anthony, It's been about 50/50 on here - you may have posted 100 times but that doesn't count 100 times And anyone who probably understands the rules of speedway will agree that Gollob did nothing wrong. He is perfectly entitled to change line down the straight. I'll tell you what, next time the GP is on I'll take note is all the times the riders change line down the straight and point it out to you. Are you going to stop every single race and exclude them? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Anthony, It's been about 50/50 on here - you may have posted 100 times but that doesn't count 100 times And anyone who probably understands the rules of speedway will agree that Gollob did nothing wrong. He is perfectly entitled to change line down the straight. I'll tell you what, next time the GP is on I'll take note is all the times the riders change line down the straight and point it out to you. Are you going to stop every single race and exclude them? All the best Rob Rob, you sound more and more ridiculous every time you post. Now, as you are saying I don't understand the rules, please go and find me the rule in speedway that says that Gollob is allowed to change his line and in doing so wipe another rider out. I'll be waiting.. and waiting... and waiting. Why? Because there isn't one. There is no rule that says the rider in front can change his line, its a myth. As you have pointed out, it is a riders choice to change his line but if it involves wiping out another rider then he is at fault and should be excluded. What do you make of Jon Cooks comments? They seem highly scathing of Mr Gollob do they not? Is he another that has no knowledge? How about Graham Jones? Does he have no knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'll be waiting.. and waiting... and waiting. Why? Because there isn't one. There is no rule that says the rider in front can change his line, its a myth. As you have pointed out, it is a riders choice to change his line but if it involves wiping out another rider then he is at fault and should be excluded. Anthony, Yes, it was Gollob's choice to change line, just as it was Jonsson's choice to continue up the inside. If the rider in front loses control, then yes that's his fault. Please point at which stage Gollob was out of control? Jonsson ran into Gollob - not the other way around. What amazes me if you refusal to accept that other people can have an opinion that differs from your own. As I've said several times, I'm perfectly entitled to have an opinion and to believe that my opinion is correct. How come you refuse to accept that? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) Anthony, Yes, it was Gollob's choice to change line, just as it was Jonsson's choice to continue up the inside. If the rider in front loses control, then yes that's his fault. Please point at which stage Gollob was out of control? Jonsson ran into Gollob - not the other way around. What amazes me if you refusal to accept that other people can have an opinion that differs from your own. As I've said several times, I'm perfectly entitled to have an opinion and to believe that my opinion is correct. How come you refuse to accept that? All the best Rob Because Rob, it is the most dangerous move in speedway and nothing gets riders more incensed. I have seen it first hand following an almost exact same incident in 96 at Belle Vue. It is not up to AJ to avoid someone cutting across the front of him. You should only cut across someone if you are a clear bike length in front and it is safe to do so. Gollob wasn't. You can have an opinion, that is fine, all I have been doing is debating with you. What I object to is your constant references to having 'no knowledge of speedway' and 'speedway rules'. I also find it amusing how you avoid the fact that those who would truly know what is and isn't dangerous on a bike (i.e. riders) have condemned the move. Edited May 30, 2008 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I also find it amusing how you avoid the fact that those who would truly know what is and isn't dangerous on a bike (i.e. riders) have condemned the move. Anthony, But the riders are divided on the subject as well - I spoke to a rider on Saturday who thought Gollob had done nothing wrong. Personally, what I find amusing is that you think you know better than Tony Steele who has refereed 20+ GP rounds and is the best referee in the world. I think he knows what he's doing. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Anthony, But the riders are divided on the subject as well - I spoke to a rider on Saturday who thought Gollob had done nothing wrong. Personally, what I find amusing is that you think you know better than Tony Steele who has refereed 20+ GP rounds and is the best referee in the world. I think he knows what he's doing. All the best Rob Interesting that its pretty much accepted that Steele had a nightmare GP with several bad decisions. Anyone can claim they have 'spoken' to a rider, as I did myself. However, I have backed up riders points of view with 5 who have stated in public that it was Gollobs fault. So far, you've provided 0. This reminds me of a court case in which case you'd be laughed out of court with your 'expert' Tony Steele witness. Anyway Rob, its been fun, but shall we just agree to disagree at this point? We don't want to break any records regarding length of a thread.. thats for Poole threads only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Interesting that its pretty much accepted that Steele had a nightmare GP with several bad decisions. Anyone can claim they have 'spoken' to a rider, as I did myself. However, I have backed up riders points of view with 5 who have stated in public that it was Gollobs fault. So far, you've provided 0. This reminds me of a court case in which case you'd be laughed out of court with your 'expert' Tony Steele witness. Anyway Rob, its been fun, but shall we just agree to disagree at this point? We don't want to break any records regarding length of a thread.. thats for Poole threads only! Anthony - I would argue that Tony Steele handled a very difficult GP extremely well. You have to remember that Sky's production will (quite naturally) be biased towards those who ride in Britain. I'm sure the Polish coverage had three riders defending Gollob. Yes, I'm also tiring of the argument now - I'd say I've won on points but you can have a draw if you like. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Rob Everyone is extremely tired of your argument. I notice you never answered one of my points earlier, so I assume you've never raced a speedway bike, so to say that Jonsson could have done anything about the crash is understandable, given your naivety. You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is completely wrong, but I'll let you have the last word as I see you are one of those people. ALL THE BEST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Rob Everyone is extremely tired of your argument. : Everyone, Speedyguy? Sweeping generalisations seem to be most of your side of the arguement, pal. I'd suggest removing the blinkers before you next decide you can speak for "Everyone". I'm afraid I totally disagree with you and Bwitcher; hardly makes it everyone, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Everyone, Speedyguy? Sweeping generalisations seem to be most of your side of the arguement, pal. I'd suggest removing the blinkers before you next decide you can speak for "Everyone". I'm afraid I totally disagree with you and Bwitcher; hardly makes it everyone, does it? BFD - it is a rather sweeping statement from Speedy69, isn't it? He certainly is not speaking for everyone, as this thread has proved. His post shows a certain arrogance - with the way he adopts his own view as "everyone". Speedy69, what the hell does it matter if I've ridden a speedway bike? It's totally immaterial. I've seen enough speedway over the years (somewhere around 1500 meetings) to be able to use my own judgement when I see an incident. And I'll make my own mind up, thank you very much. Therefore, it's not "everyone". It's not me, it's not BFD, it's not Jeff, it's not several others who have posted on this thread. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) Blimey, talk about the irresistible force v the immovable object. Can't you two agree to disagree? Or is that not a manly thing to do? Edited May 31, 2008 by rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Rob Everyone is extremely tired of your argument. Says the whole of the forum!!!!!! Except Bwitcher HAS to be right - most know that!!!! Some one tell Anthony PLEASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Says the whole of the forum!!!!!! Except Bwitcher HAS to be right - most know that!!!! Some one tell Anthony PLEASE I think you will find we agreed above, but again Steve you don't read what people post. I'm quite happy. Everyone who has ridden a bike and has commented thinks Gollob's move was extremely dangerous. Apart from Rob's mysterious unquoted 'rider'. And Rob.. you might have earned a points decision, but stevebrum's support for you swayed the judges and I won by unanimous decision! And to repeat so you understand Steve... ROB AND I HAVE AGREED TO DISAGREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I don't read what people post. I'm quite happy. Everyone who has ridden a bike and has commented thinks Gollob's move was extremely dangerous. OH NO THEY HAVEN'T!! (He's behind you!! ) Will this Pantomime ever end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I think you will find we agreed above, but again Steve you don't read what people post. I'm quite happy. Everyone who has ridden a bike and has commented thinks Gollob's move was extremely dangerous. Apart from Rob's mysterious unquoted 'rider'. And Rob.. you might have earned a points decision, but stevebrum's support for you swayed the judges and I won by unanimous decision! And to repeat so you understand Steve... ROB AND I HAVE AGREED TO DISAGREE! i FULLY understand thank you. the fact that people are getting so bored with your opinionated stance on this (other peoples words not mine) says it all really. Im glad thats is finally come down to STILL 50/50. As both of your opinions are CORRECT As it always was anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 i FULLY understand thank you. the fact that people are getting so bored with your opinionated stance on this (other peoples words not mine) says it all really. Im glad thats is finally come down to STILL 50/50. As both of your opinions are CORRECT As it always was anyway No you don't Steve, as you rarely do. And once again, you make a fool of yourself. People were getting bored of TWO peoples opinonated stance. Not just mine. And after all, it was all finished.. until you piled in getting it all wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 ROB AND I HAVE AGREED TO DISAGREE! Indeed we have, although Speedy69 piling in with his ridiculous "everyone" statement prolonged it a bit. And now Bwitcher himself has made a "everyone" statement. But I see BFD has already tore a strip off you for that comment, so I'll let it go. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 No you don't Steve, as you rarely do. And once again, you make a fool of yourself. People were getting bored of TWO peoples opinonated stance. Not just mine. And after all, it was all finished.. until you piled in getting it all wrong! as i ALWAYS do . and of course you failed to mention that as you BOTH have agreed to disagree means my original point was 100% correct. its 50/50 dependant on your view point. so im glad to hear your opinianted nonesense is finally over. Good to hear - one of your better comments i must say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 as i ALWAYS do . and of course you failed to mention that as you BOTH have agreed to disagree means my original point was 100% correct. its 50/50 dependant on your view point. so im glad to hear your opinianted nonesense is finally over. Good to hear - one of your better comments i must say Steve, I PREFER "opinionated nonsense" - whether it's my opinion or BWitcher's contradictory one - to wishy-washy "well you're both right" stuff. At least we've come out and stated our view. Stop sitting on the fence. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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