spook Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 QUOTE (Rob B @ May 25 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No hes not! Watch it again time after time : http://www.svt.se/svt/road/Classic/shared/...187&d=35828 He had a look coming out of 4th bend but like I said all riders do that but going down the straight his helmet looking straight forward. hang on you are saying he did have a look or he didnt have a look then? are you saying because he looked like all riders look coming out of a corner (not true actually) that it didnt matter if he saw jonsson? Thx for the footage, I did manage to watch it 'over and over' last night ..... however using your clip he clearly sees jonsson at 1:00 and immediately starts turning left while crossing the startline! Sorry rob but you really are trying to fight a lost cause here....... I am a huge Gollob fan but that was irresponsible last night and the product of his frustrations and pressure to make the semi ...... he is too long in the tooth to start going down that road again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gollob did nothing wrong in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) Just watching the repeat of the Speedway Grand Prix and just wanted to know what other peoples thoughts are on the incident between AJ and Gollob! Personally Im not a fan of Gollob anyway so therfore my view might be a tad bias but... what a dirty b*****d! The sport is dangerous enough without having to worry about people doing stupid things in front of somone. And to top it off I think the ref excluded the wrong rider! You could clearly see in the replays that Gollob was turning left too early. Your thoughts! Exacrtly! Therefore would any rider deliberately engage in dangerous tactics at the risk of serious injury, or death, to either the other man or themselves. Hard riding is, and always has been, acceptable in speedway racing. If it were not so the sport would have lost its appeal very many years ago. Many of the top riders from throughout the world have got there by hard riding when they felt the occasion demanded it. You say that your view might be a 'tad' biased. I doubt that; it appears to be totally biased against Gollob. Edited May 27, 2008 by Ron Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 hang on you are saying he did have a look or he didnt have a look then? are you saying because he looked like all riders look coming out of a corner (not true actually) that it didnt matter if he saw jonsson? Thx for the footage, I did manage to watch it 'over and over' last night ..... however using your clip he clearly sees jonsson at 1:00 and immediately starts turning left while crossing the startline! Sorry rob but you really are trying to fight a lost cause here....... I am a huge Gollob fan but that was irresponsible last night and the product of his frustrations and pressure to make the semi ...... he is too long in the tooth to start going down that road again He looked left as he was coming off the fourth bend, nothing wrong with that, sees Jonsson is on the inside of him, decides to ride a tighter line down the home straight, they don't make contact until after the start/finish line a long time since he had looked left! They way some of you are going on as if he looked left and and then turned right into Jonsson, that didn't happen at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevcfc Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Can't see anything that Gollob did wrong. I would imagine any of the top riders would have done exactly the same as he did. Just a racing incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Nonsense. There was no contact (well, not at the moment of the accident). Carter fell off. All the best Rob I know - it's called irony..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) Hard racing - yes; dirty racing - no. I like both riders a lot - cracking racers on their day and the sport needs more of their gutsy styles. This was done in a split second at 60 odd mph by a guy pumped full of adrenaline at a crucial point in the meeting. People can psycho-analyse and apportion blame, but I'd say it was just an unfortunate outcome to a move by a rider trying to protect his position. AJ was full on the gas too and caught unawares. It happens and was made worse by the spot where AJ hit the fence. On another day with another rider, it would have passed without incident and both riders would have stayed on. AJ was just unlucky and I hope he makes a speedy recovery from his injuries. Edited May 25, 2008 by rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gollob was in front and entitled to take whichever line he chose, it`s called protecting your lead. AJ has done the same as have all top riders. This was a racing incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Hard racing - yes; dirty racing - no. I dont think Gollob did anything untoward , Gollob was in front and the two were riding hard and lets remember Ullevi is one of the longest and quickest tracks and a slight misjudgement had a major consequence. IMO it was just an unfortunate outcome AJ was full throttle and the crash was made all worse by the spot where AJ hit the fence ..........just glad it looks as though he may of got out of the situation unscathered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gollob has always ridden some fairly unconventional lines around speedway tracks, so I wouldn't say it was malicious. But I do think he was lucky to get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) I am not a big fan of any rider 'left turning' another but I felt it was a very,very hard move which in the pysche of a Speedway rider, I'd of probably taken Gollob's line. It was a very awkward fall by Jonsson and certainly not helped by hitting the airfence at the point where it begins. Edited May 25, 2008 by Hazzman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 But I do think he was lucky to get away with it. Do agree there - I don't think he could have had too much complaint had he been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Well said Sub. A very fair post from his biggest fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Well, we've all seen Gollob switch direction going down a straight, usually no one gets collected and it's hailed as being an outrageously brilliant manoeuvre. He's one of the few riders with the ability to get away with it. I often think one of his biggest problems is that he doesn't realise that not everyone has the sort of ability that he has. Andreas Jonsson is one of the few who come close and yet he got collected. But, realistically, the default setting of referees like Steele is to take the easiest option, so it wasn't a surprise to see Gollob in the re-run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Just watching the repeat of the Speedway Grand Prix and just wanted to know what other peoples thoughts are on the incident between AJ and Gollob! Personally Im not a fan of Gollob anyway so therfore my view might be a tad bias but... what a dirty b*****d! The sport is dangerous enough without having to worry about people doing stupid things in front of somone. And to top it off I think the ref excluded the wrong rider! You could clearly see in the replays that Gollob was turning left too early. Your thoughts! After seeing that Stephen i have to say that Tony Steele made the wrong decision. It was very clear that Tomasz cut Andreas' nose clean off by turning into the bend to early, watching Tomasz in his other races shows that with great effect.Thank god AJ is ok cos that was horrific & dangerous riding by Golllob, i think he was just pi**ed off about the previous race but it's unprofessional to take that out on a fellow competitor, just as Sam said in the studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Thought Steele made a couple of 'surprising' decisions last night to be honest. I made a comment after one (think it was where a rider moved at the start and only disadvantaged himself and he stopped the race) that I bet it was that dodgy Polish referee who's a bit flakey, so was exceptionally surprised to see Mr Steel in control. Suppose no-one is totally infallible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Thought Steele made a couple of 'surprising' decisions last night to be honest. I made a comment after one (think it was where a rider moved at the start and only disadvantaged himself and he stopped the race). Ah that was just a bit of chauvinism from Steele, or didn't you notice the nationality of the rider involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Can't say I did really, I was already mentally switching off with boredom at the stage. My interest only piqued at any passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Devoto Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Is that why he allowed Hancock to get away with an outrageous roller off the graveyard gate 4 and straight into the lead? Also Leigh Adams a vital roll when off gate 3? And Scott Nicholls a free go again when he rolled and caught himself out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Can't say I did really, I was already mentally switching off with boredom at the stage. Okay, it was a former British champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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