rabbit Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Aah OK. Can't say I really took much notice to be honest, just thought it a shonky decision and one of many 'oddities' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Gollob did nothing wrong - and Tony Steele's decision was correct. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I love to watch Gollob who is a very entertaining rider, I do feel however he is over hyped not an all round racer IMHO. A Great rider is somone like Leigh Adams rides most tracks, always tries to give enough space (left room for Holta in the Semi could have fenced him) and seems to work well with other riders. True proffesional in the Jack/Norman Parker, Aub Lawson, Ken Mckinlay, Mark Loram mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfgpete Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I really, really detest that statement, along with the sentiment associated with most uses of it. It makes it sound as if you hope that Gollob would get injured. Surely that is something that none of us should wish on any riders, even ones we don't like? If that was not your intent - then my apologies. I've kept out of the discussion so far because after the incident happened, I couldn't bring myself to watch the replays. It looked bad enough first time round, let alone in triple slow motion. I therefore cannot (or will not) comment on who was to blame - it's an argument that could rage for years - possibly not in the same league as the Penhall/Carter LA incident to be fair. wrong end of the stick here , I dont wish anything on anyone , what the saying means ( i pressume ) one day the same thing will happen the other way round and maybe Gollob may end up bruised, but thanks for the reply and apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I love to watch Gollob who is a very entertaining rider, I do feel however he is over hyped not an all round racer IMHO. A Great rider is somone like Leigh Adams rides most tracks, always tries to give enough space (left room for Holta in the Semi could have fenced him) and seems to work well with other riders. True proffesional in the Jack/Norman Parker, Aub Lawson, Ken Mckinlay, Mark Loram mold Unless of course it's wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Gollob did nothing wrong in my opinion. You know absolutely nothing about speedway then. One of THE biggest no-no's in speedway is turning left on a rider on the straight. Its one of the most dangerous moves you can do and it invariabley ends in carnage, as in this GP. You will not find one rider who would condone such a move. Whether he looked or not is irrelevant. In fact, if he hadn't of known he was there, he wouldn't have been going left at that point of the straight in the first place. Disgraceful, dangerous move. Should have been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 (edited) You know absolutely nothing about speedway then. One of THE biggest no-no's in speedway is turning left on a rider on the straight. Its one of the most dangerous moves you can do and it invariabley ends in carnage, as in this GP. You will not find one rider who would condone such a move. Whether he looked or not is irrelevant. In fact, if he hadn't of known he was there, he wouldn't have been going left at that point of the straight in the first place. Disgraceful, dangerous move. Should have been excluded. Don't talk crap. Gollob did nothing wrong. It was a racing accident caused by Jonsson placing himself into the wrong place at the wrong time. Riders quite often change their line down the straight. Gollob, in particular. Watch him at Bydgoszcz. All the best Rob Edited May 26, 2008 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 A Great rider is somone like Leigh Adams rides most tracks, always tries to give enough space (left room for Holta in the Semi could have fenced him) and seems to work well with other riders. That semi showed why Leigh Adams will never be world champion . Great rider and all that , but he was far too tentative on that track . I know the track was a disgrace and dangerous , but the likes of Gollob , Crump , Pedersen and Holta seemed to try and put the dangerousness of it out of their mind and attack the track . Adams almost looked as if he was tiptoeing round the bends . I actually thought his bike had packed in given the easy way he gave up that semi-final when a final place looked in the bag . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 That semi showed why Leigh Adams will never be world champion . Great rider and all that , but he was far too tentative on that track . I know the track was a disgrace and dangerous , but the likes of Gollob , Crump , Pedersen and Holta seemed to try and put the dangerousness of it out of their mind and attack the track . Adams almost looked as if he was tiptoeing round the bends . I actually thought his bike had packed in given the easy way he gave up that semi-final when a final place looked in the bag . Paulco - I actually gained a new appreciation of Nicki Pedersen on Saturday night. The way he was riding was very clever. He was missing out riding over the ruts but still attacking the circuit. If only he didn't resort to the tactics he displayed in the previous Grand Prix. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 (edited) That semi showed why Leigh Adams will never be world champion . Great rider and all that , but he was far too tentative on that track . I know the track was a disgrace and dangerous , but the likes of Gollob , Crump , Pedersen and Holta seemed to try and put the dangerousness of it out of their mind and attack the track . Adams almost looked as if he was tiptoeing round the bends . I actually thought his bike had packed in given the easy way he gave up that semi-final when a final place looked in the bag . Must agree with you Paulco. Leigh is an absolute legend, but his performances at both Slovenia ans Sweden show why he is very unlikely to go the final step. As soon as conditions have got less than ideal, his self preservation kicks in. He looked one of the least confident riders on Saturday - with perhaps on Kasprzak looking as timid. For what it's worth - I though Tomasz was a lucky lad to stay in the re-run and had blatantly turned left on AJ. Edited May 26, 2008 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawakid Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Are you sure DB? I'd herd different... this should settle the argument http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3lSKQVVFS4 I was reminded of this after Pedersen and Crumps incident in the Semi-final in Leszno... I have seen Nicki take a bigger knock than that and stayed on his wheels... Makes you wonder don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Don't talk crap. Gollob did nothing wrong. It was a racing accident caused by Jonsson placing himself into the wrong place at the wrong time. Riders quite often change their line down the straight. Gollob, in particular. Watch him at Bydgoszcz. All the best Rob Dear god, I despair sometimes with people. You have been watching speedway for all these years and yet you still do not appreciate what is a dangerous move. Jonsson did not change his line. Gollob turned left on the straight, which I repeat is a big NO NO and collected him. 3 riders all agreed that it was a dangerous move (Tatum, Ermolenko, Richardson). However, you, with all your years of experience riding a bike think different. I've since spoken to two other riders (one current, one ex) and they also agree Gollob was completely at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 It's a standard Gollob move: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd0y3lU2x4g Watch as he exits the 4th turn on lap 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dear god, I despair sometimes with people. You have been watching speedway for all these years and yet you still do not appreciate what is a dangerous move. Jonsson did not change his line. Gollob turned left on the straight, which I repeat is a big NO NO and collected him. 3 riders all agreed that it was a dangerous move (Tatum, Ermolenko, Richardson). However, you, with all your years of experience riding a bike think different. I've since spoken to two other riders (one current, one ex) and they also agree Gollob was completely at fault. BWitcher, Tatum, Ermolenko and Richardson didn't know who had won Saturday's GP. I did. Therefore, I will trust my own judgement. I also know Gollob changed his line up the straight in spectacular fashion at Bydgoszcz last year, to then fly under Nicki Pedersen entering the third bend. I can't remember anyone complaining about that. Incidentally, I spoke to a rider on Saturday night who didn't blame Gollob at all. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 BWitcher, Tatum, Ermolenko and Richardson didn't know who had won Saturday's GP. I did. Therefore, I will trust my own judgement. I also know Gollob changed his line up the straight in spectacular fashion at Bydgoszcz last year, to then fly under Nicki Pedersen entering the third bend. I can't remember anyone complaining about that. Incidentally, I spoke to a rider on Saturday night who didn't blame Gollob at all. All the best Rob Did he clean someone out on the straight when he passed Pedersen? No he didn't. Facts are, Gollob turned left, Gollob wiped out Jonsson. End of! And as for your attempt to suggest that Tatum, Richardson and Ermolenko do not know what is dangerous, and what is not when riding a bike. Well, quite frankly, to suggest you know better is pathetic. It has nothing to do with who won and didn't win a GP. Gollobs move was akin to driving on a motorway on the outside lane, and then swerving into the middle lane, only to clip the front of a car there and send him spinning. Whose fault is it? By your reckoning its the guy in the middle lane.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliv Clav Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Clear as you like Gollob looks left then turns left across Jonsson's line! Much too early to be turning into the bend! Never seen Gollob do something as dirty as that, on purpose, for ages! Really disappointed in him. Tatum, Ermolenko and Richardson all said the same instantly! You don't turn left going over the start line on a track that size! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Gollob did nothing wrong in my opinion.Typical gollob move when he know someone is faster than him, should have been straight out. However AJ should have been expecting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 as usual it ALWAYS comes back to your own definition of dirty riding. Clearly there are those that think it was and just as many who dont. Clearly ALL are rights opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave69 Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Any link to Gollob Jonsson as not seen it yet and there seems some strong opinions on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 And as for your attempt to suggest that Tatum, Richardson and Ermolenko do not know what is dangerous, and what is not when riding a bike. Well, quite frankly, to suggest you know better is pathetic. It has nothing to do with who won and didn't win a GP. So you take everything Kelvin Tatum says as gospel? How come Swiderski wasn't re-instated off 15m after he fell off at Wolves last week then? I am entitled to my own opinion, whether it matches yours or not. And, as I've already said, I spoke to a rider on Saturday night who was of the opinion that Gollob had done nothing wrong. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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