scarletrider Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Congratulations to Freddie Lingren, a refreshing change, a worthy winner. Stadium....great Track....disgraceful Racing....spoilt through too many iriders being injured. Brits....never really in the hunt. Top marks to Holta and Lingren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I am really pleased that Rune won, it is nice to see someone different on the rostrum for a change. He is my son's favourite rider. I'm not insinuating Rune did anything illegal tonight, he won and I am genuinely really pleased for him, it just sometimes crosses my mind, as I am sure it does for a lot of people on here, where the extra speed comes from sometimes. I am pretty sure that bikes are never checked, unlike F1 where they are scrupulous about checking for irregularities. As I said, it just makes me wonder sometimes what they would find if an unplanned check were to happen and I'm not just talking about rune I am talking about all riders. AFAIK engines from the three top riders are opened and checked after every GP. I did not mean to say that you insnuated that he did something illegal. Rune has also had big engine trouble this season but clearly had sorted them out last night. Spoke to Rune today and he actually thought the red light had come on because the other riders were going so slow when he passed them. He also said that even in the heat where he came last he felt that he was on a quicker bike than the others and he felt fast all night. Congrats to him, well deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) As Sam Ermolenko keeps saying, Holta is such a slight fellow that once he gets some fresh air in front of him, his machine isn't carrying an awful lot of weight. But well done to the fellow - now, technically, I suppose, the second Pole to win a Grand Prix. Edited May 25, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think that when watching Sajfutdinov. ....and take into consideration that both Rune and Emil are among the "lightest" riders around..... As I said before, spoke to Rune today and he said the pass was unreal, his backwheel hardly spinning at all when exiting the turn and he couldn`t belive all the room the others gave him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think the track played a part in that - Forsberg seemed to lock up a little. But we were talking about Dryml. Forsberg slowed down to let Lindgren passed. That made Nicholls run into him and in a GP you are not prepared to meet second graders like that, not that Forsberg won`t be there one day but right now he should not be a reserve in a GP. BTW; why does always the reserves be local lads? Can`t they use the official reserves list instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Should practice sessions be stopped after all riders dont get to practice at league meetings and seem to do ok. And most interviewed yesterday said the track was ok in practice Yes they should be stopped. Even the riders think so and since the tracks differ so much from practice to race-day the only thing they use their practice sessions for is to test their machinery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Congratulations to Freddie Lingren, a refreshing change, a worthy winner. Stadium....great Track....disgraceful Racing....spoilt through too many iriders being injured. Brits....never really in the hunt. Top marks to Holta and Lingren. Firstly, it's Lindgren. Secondly, he didn't win - Holta did All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Firstly, it's Lindgren. Secondly, he didn't win - Holta did I wonder if scarletrider is related to the screaming imbecile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 a clip can be viewed here: http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21128&lid=menu Andreas tried to overtake Gollob but Gollob had better speed and when he moved inwards AJ hit Gollobs back wheel. As far as i could see Gollob never looke back or anything. AJ was almost side by side by Gollob a short while but had lower speed and should have realized that he would not overtake Gollob there. If you watch those clips on TV you can see Gollob looking for Andreas just when they exit the turn. If you watch the incident from the overhead camera you can clearly see Gollob changing his line dramatically just before the crash. On a small track you can usually get away with turning left but on such a big track like Ullevi it is critical that you stay on your line because serious incidents could happen when they are racing at such high speeds. Riders have less time to make their choices. No malice from Gollob though me thinks, he just went for it but most definately should have been excluded and with Tony Steele opting for the easy way out he also opened up pandoras box. He had the chance to make an example that turning left on the straights is not acceptable, instead he set a new standard for what is allowed or not. I can already imagine the first rider turning left and be excluded in the next GP`s on the phone to the referee: "But what Gollob did in Gothenburg was much worse and he was not excluded" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Have just watched a couple of times the vid Ghostwalker posted here and it only proved that I've thought from the beginning. Gollob did not look back. It was a normal cut to the inside. Meanwhile, AJ was trying to get outside.. It didn't work and he rode into TG's rear wheel. A typical racing incident. Gollob is not Pedersen. EOT You can`t see it on those clips, the resolution is not good enough, but if you watch it on TV you can clearly see Gollob turning his head slightly to see where Andreas is when they exit the turn. On top of it all, when they exit the turn they are almost level which means that Gollob for sure could see Andreas front wheel (and HEAR him coming) and he knew exactly where Andreas was. On the other hand, Andreas never changes his line, Gollob does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Tony Steele is a British referee (and a vastly over-rated one at that, possibly as over-rated as a referee as unSteady is as a rider), which means easy option is the default setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 After just watching the incident again, I just cannot see how anyone can defend Gollob, he moved right across Jonsson and caused the crash..It's as simple as that. Lee Richardson, Sam Ermolenko and Kelvin Tatum were in no doubt about it whatsoever, and nor am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletrider Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Firstly, it's Lindgren. Secondly, he didn't win - Holta did All the best Rob I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMV06 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I think Gollob is an absolute disgrace and he will never have my support again. It was a disgusting premeditated move and AJ is lucky to not have been more seriously injured. On the bigger tracks Gollob doesn't normally start turning left until well past the start/finish line and yet this time he did BEFORE it. Had it have been Nicki Pederson/Hans Anderson that made that move then this forum would be full of people calling for them to be hung, drawn and quartered. I felt the guys in the studio were just being diplomatic but you could see the look of disgust on Ricos face. It makes me sick every time I've seen the incident and I said straightaway that Gollob was at fault because he turned left way too early and was the cause of the stoppage and then having seen the replay of him glancing left just before his deliberate act of malice made my blood boil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 You are joking, aren't you? According to my sums, the former British champion has had SIXTY attempts to win a Grand Prix and hasn't come close. In fact, I think he's only made SEVEN finals in all that time. Is that a record to be proud of? If he was any nationality other than British he'd be lucky to have thirty GPs to his name. Wasn't it a Pole, formerly known as a Norwegian, that won last night? How many GPs to his name has it taken to win a GP? Its not 60, but its certainly more than the 30 you are quoting.....and he ain't British. Scott is worthy of a place in the top 15 of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcoholic Mathematician Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 This incident should put an end to the 'I was in front so you can't exclude me' nonsense you get from riders. Gollob should have been excluded for cutting across him. If you allow riders to pick and choose whatever line they want, it will cause a lot of crashes like this one. I agree totally. Sadly it's not only riders who spout this nonsense about the man in front... On Gollob-Jonsson, I think it was a racing incident, and the rider in the lead can choose the line. People say he turned early, but he put in a decent bend, whereas I would expect to drift out if he had turned early. It's a common misconception that the rider in the lead can do what he wants. He can, provided his actions are not dangerous, unfair or foul (FIM Track Racing Rules). Obviously it's open to interpretation, but I'd say it's recklessly dangerous for a rider to turn left when he's not sufficiently clear of the other rider, and that it's unfair if it causes the other rider to fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Wasn't it a Pole, formerly known as a Norwegian, that won last night? How many GPs to his name has it taken to win a GP? Its not 60, but its certainly more than the 30 you are quoting.....and he ain't British. It's fifty. But he was dumped from the series when he didn't qualify by right and fought to get back into the series on merit. Unlike the former British champion, who has had at least three charity nominations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genty Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Was at work all last night, so missed it all. Was just wondering how JD performed at wildcard? 7 points, put him not far off a semi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 The only problem is - who else have we got? Who could take over? What do you mean who else have WE got ............. this GP series is nothing to do with British Speedway or any other country for that matter, it's a completely separate body of speedway promotion. What a wonderful job they are doing too ............... NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 What do you mean who else have WE got ............. this GP series is nothing to do with British Speedway or any other country for that matter, it's a completely separate body of speedway promotion. What a wonderful job they are doing too ............... NOT! We know you dont like GP speedway so why do you keep wasting your time slagging off something some people like but if my memory serves me right i remember you attending one a few years ago in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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