Steve Shovlar Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I don't think Gollob altered his line at all. This is where he would have gone on the track regardless of whether Jonsson was there or not. Jonsson ried to go to the outside but clipped Gollobs wheel. Simple as that. Racing incident with no one to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gollob changed his racing line but so did Andreas. And Andreas was behind Gollob when the contact occured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 official press release: http://www.masarnaavesta.nu/gp.cgi?id=16775 They claim over 20'000 spectators but the official attendance was only ~17'500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Firstly, I hope all injured riders are OK. Its a very strange event where half the field crash at some point! The Gollob-Jonsson incident apart, I do not think this topic would have reached 21 pages, if the track had been a billiard table smooth surface. In fact, it may have only for the pure fact the racing would have been dull. It would have been flat out, go from gate stuff. The fact remains that, only the brave get rewards in difficult surfaces. You have to use your brain and throttle, or accept the risks for the potential rewards. Whether we like it or not, Adams fell into the first category, Lindgren into the second, and well done for him doing so. Hans Andersen fell into the second, but came a cropper doing so. The track was bad, developing holes, but if it was a British - deep in shale - track, then ruts also appear readily in these surfaces too. I think the comparision has also been drawn to the ELRC and Pairs meetings. As Richardson says, 14 may not want to ride, but there will also be 2 or 3 that do. Ultimately, it was the same track for everyone: some used their brains, some took risks, some got unlucky. I compare it to F1, where some of the reputations have been made for performances in difficult surfaces to that of NASCAR, or IndyCar, where a spot of rain pulls out the yellow flags. I do think the track was too big. The speeds into the corners were far greater than other poor surfaces that we have seen before. The straights were 'thin'; and I felt after 4 races it would either be very dull or cut up like a temporary track does and provide another aspect or angle to be considered. On Gollob-Jonsson, I think it was a racing incident, and the rider in the lead can choose the line. People say he turned early, but he put in a decent bend, whereas I would expect to drift out if he had turned early. On Nigel Pearson - it really confused me that for a good while, I believed that Freddie Lindgren had won the GP. Surely this is the most basic of rules to get your head around. One race at the end of the meeting, the winner wins the GP? no? Where has he been for all the other GPs???? On the Brits, well there are 8 more rounds to go....if Nicholls had stayed on in his 4th ride, he would have been in the semi's. He needs to make starts. I think in the EL, he can get away with it, because the EL is very poor this season for quality riders. He has been the same for a year now, the British Final last year, he was spinning too much on the gate, yet he did have a good 2nd half of the GP season after Cardiff. Harris, I just hope he sticks at it. Lets face it, he is not becoming as detached as Lindback did in races, and is consistently picking up points, albeit 6's and 5's. He may argue his target last year was 4's and 5's so its progress. Stick at it, because they are the best 2 Brits at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yeah I see where you're coming from but it's a tad dangerous as shown with what it led to. Gollob knew exactly what he was doing and just wanted to slow AJ down anyway possible, I doubt he ment for the incident itself to occur but to be honest where was AJ supposed to go in that position.....it was inevitable coming up to the 1st bend. This reminds me of the Los Angeles 1982 Penhall vs Carter debate. But seriously, Jonsson should just have shut off when Gollob turned to the inside. Gollob was in front, so he choses the line, and the rider behind him has to react to that. It can't be the other way round. No one to blame but Jonsson himself. The referee made the right decision by excluding AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 On the incident - no intent or malice on gollobs part. He got the line he wanted and assumed he was clear hence why he looked over. in my opinion. On the meetings - CONGRATULATIONS to the BEST rider on show FREDDIE LINGREN. Wouldnt the Bees LOVE to have a quality GP rider to support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 But seriously, Jonsson should just have shut off when Gollob turned to the inside. Gollob was in front, so he choses the line, and the rider behind him has to react to that. When riders are racing inches apart whilst doing 50/60mph, you don't have time to react. Shutting off is not like applying a brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Gollob is not Pedersen. EOT Quite correct, Nicki is a double world champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 I don't think Gollob altered his line at all. This is where he would have gone on the track regardless of whether Jonsson was there or not. Jonsson ried to go to the outside but clipped Gollobs wheel. Simple as that. Racing incident with no one to blame. Rare are the occasions when I find myself in Steve's camp but this is one of them. Jonsson clearly moves out as Gollob sets up his line. Tough, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Here's the link to the Gothenburg meeting report on worldspeedway.com: http://www.worldspeedway.com/artman/publis...icle_6225.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 On the Brits, well there are 8 more rounds to go....if Nicholls had stayed on in his 4th ride, he would have been in the semi's. Always someone willing to defend the former British champion. If it had been a proper referee, instead of Tony Steele, the first running of that race would've been allowed to continue - the only rider inconvenienced at the start was the former British champion, who was doing the moving at the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcrazy Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 a clip can be viewed here: http://www.svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21128&lid=menu Andreas tried to overtake Gollob but Gollob had better speed and when he moved inwards AJ hit Gollobs back wheel. As far as i could see Gollob never looke back or anything. If you look at the clip again at about 1.01/1.02 Gollob does look to his left then moves left to stop the run of AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) Always someone willing to defend the former British champion. If it had been a proper referee, instead of Tony Steele, the first running of that race would've been allowed to continue - the only rider inconvenienced at the start was the former British champion, who was doing the moving at the line. And your point is? There is no need to defend Nicholls or anyone else. Getting through a meeting like this, as someone else pointed out, seemed to be as big a result as anything. 7 points is certainly no disgrace. Not everyone can be number 1 in the world; but we need a line up of 16, and I do not think you can argue with the fact that Scott Nicholls is in the best 16 riders of the world, certainly in the top 2 in GB. End of Story. Last season, you were talking up KK; and he has found it difficult - Harris settled in better. Then again, given your allegiences to the a certain track that doesn't do a great deal for British talent....is it any wonder! At least you make me laugh with half of your 12,000 posts; you are valued entertainment, keep it up! Edited May 25, 2008 by Authorised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Well Done Freddie .... 3rd in the World !!! For the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Not everyone can be number 1 in the world; but we need a line up of 16, and I do not think you can argue with the fact that Scott Nicholls is in the best 16 riders of the world. You are joking, aren't you? According to my sums, the former British champion has had SIXTY attempts to win a Grand Prix and hasn't come close. In fact, I think he's only made SEVEN finals in all that time. Is that a record to be proud of? If he was any nationality other than British he'd be lucky to have thirty GPs to his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M08 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 You are joking, aren't you? According to my sums, the former British champion has had SIXTY attempts to win a Grand Prix and hasn't come close. In fact, I think he's only made SEVEN finals in all that time. Is that a record to be proud of? If he was any nationality other than British he'd be lucky to have thirty GPs to his name. He came close once Subedei, finishing 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 On the meetings - CONGRATULATIONS to the BEST rider on show FREDDIE LINGREN. Wouldnt the Bees LOVE to have a quality GP rider to support Well it depends what you are after Steve. On Monday against Ipswich I think Freddie won his last 3 or 4 rides - however he turned straight round and went back into the pits - not really giving you anything to support is it However - he was the best rider on show last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 It's surely a given for commercial reasons that GB will have at least one, more likely two, riders in the permanent field. At the moment I don't see anything out there better than Nicholls and Harris. Are their places likely to be threatened by a wave of Brits storming through the qualifiers? No, thought not, much as I'd like to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedwig Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 You are joking, aren't you? According to my sums, the former British champion has had SIXTY attempts to win a Grand Prix and hasn't come close. In fact, I think he's only made SEVEN finals in all that time. Is that a record to be proud of? If he was any nationality other than British he'd be lucky to have thirty GPs to his name. Here's another comparison: Mark Loram: 64 GPs, 15 finals, 10 finishes in the top three and a world championship Scott Nicholls: 60 GPs, 7 finals, 5 finishes in the top three (but never on top ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) It's surely a given for commercial reasons that GB will have at least one, more likely two, riders in the permanent field. That remains to be seen. Be hard for the powers that be to drop Holta if he finishes outside of the top eight, having won a Grand Prix. And then we'll see who emerges from the qualifying process. The scenario could arise where it's hard to shoehorn to no-hopers into the circus just because they're British. Here's another comparison: Mark Loram: 64 GPs, 15 finals, 10 finishes in the top three and a world championship Scott Nicholls: 60 GPs, 7 finals, 5 finishes in the top three (but never on top ) Don't forget TWO Grand Prix wins for Loram. Edited May 25, 2008 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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