Swc Round 2 Coventry 14th July

[MARK246]

Er, how can you prove it at the highest level until you're given a chance to do so..?!

 

After all, as there's no proper World Individual Championship anymore (just a closed-shop GP series) then unlike, say, Collins, Lee & Carter of the past who could use their ability when still young to get there (ie the highest level), the likes of Tai, Ben, James and Ed need to get picked in the World Cup..

 

And as I said before it's physically impossible for them to do any worse..!

 

 

But does Lynch have the fortitude to drop the riders to do it.

[orion]

Whilst I agree with your point about top class riders being able to ride on any type of track,

why wasn't the track prepared to favour the home side as it is in every other country?

We all knew we had a weakness in the gating dept and Chris Harris is a racer

so whats the problem with preparing a track accordingly?

 

Is it ?poland was slick for the first round as well it never suited them

 

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

But does Lynch have the fortitude to drop the riders to do it.

 

I would say highly unlikely..!!

[MARK246]

I would say highly unlikely..!!

 

 

We live in hope

[Squire]

You can all argue as much as ya like but the fact remains that the Danes whinged to get what they wanted cos in practice They we're the crap riders.

 

 

For what I can see its simply sensible debate Colin, not arguments as such. However: Performance impressive in the practice, means zilch and counts for nothing. Sorry

[Beeone]

For what I can see its simply sensible debate Colin, not arguments as such. However: Performance impressive in the practice, means zilch and counts for nothing. Sorry

Absolutely right, the Brits were simply not good enough, Scott Nicholls four points, come on, he is our National Champion and Swindon wasn't a foot deep in dirt when he won that was it!!!

[screm]

Whilst I agree with your point about top class riders being able to ride on any type of track,

why wasn't the track prepared to favour the home side as it is in every other country?

We all knew we had a weakness in the gating dept and Chris Harris is a racer

so whats the problem with preparing a track accordingly?

Was thinking the same last night,surely Jim Lynch talked to his riders before hand to see how they wanted the track then passed that onto whoever does the track at Coventry.You can bet that the track at Vojen on saturday will be suited towards the Danes.There may have been a stockcar meeting over the weekend at Brandon but even so I dont think its rocket science to get the track how our riders wanted it.Didnt Ermolenko say something about practise affecting track conditions.

Think maybe we are giving our riders an easy excuse,the track was the same for everybody and with all our current or ex- Coventry riders they must have ridden Coventry when it was slick in the passed.No I think we just werent or arent good enough.

[stevebrum]

put a ten year plan in place

 

its the only way ANY manager can do his job.

unless the BSPA and authorities work together for the future of British speedway we will remain 2nd (or currently) 5th rated.

Its down to the authorities to put the future of this country right.

NOT the manager and not, to a lesser extent, the riders.

 

 

[blink9620]

The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time.

 

so rico comes out with the classic quote the track is completely different to practice hello world have we had this before so if its grippy in practice it going to be slick in the meeting

so they should all know how to set the bike up the 3 other teams did right from the start

whoever pays for team gb should hire a track out in denmark for wednesday and have a whole day at getting a set up for a slick track because everybody can guess what vojens will be like SLICK cos its ole's stadium and ole loves it SLICK

as for scott nicholls bad night i agree maybe at the end of the season if he's not in the top 10 and no wild card is given to him again it will get him going like it did to hans andersen

[Daniel Smith]

Something that a mate said to me last night.

 

Our team was picked on the basis of having Coventry track specialists and three of them are still riding for them this year.

 

Where are Coventry in the EL, that's right, second from bottom. Not a great start for picking a team is it??????

 

If they were such track specialist they would have home averages over 10 each.

Edited July 15, 2008 by screamer

[mervjankefanclub]

whoever pays for team gb should hire a track out in denmark for wednesday and have a whole day at getting a set up for a slick track because everybody can guess what vojens will be like SLICK cos its ole's stadium and ole loves it SLICK

 

there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final

Edited July 15, 2008 by mervjankefanclub

[Subedei]

there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final

 

No, there's practice - it'll be on Wednesday, I think.

 

[blink9620]

there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final

 

ole cant make a track grippy for a meeting can he , grips only for practice so to confuse people on the day you would think the riders would suss this out by now

must admit merv its a good call . denmark & ole dont do grip do they but as denmark dont compete in race off you could be right

if its slick in pratice its grippy in the meeting maybe lynch might pass this on to our boys if he can see it or has he blinkered vision as well

[mervjankefanclub]

one we all know for sure blink is it wont be the same for the whole week

[Jo_1515]

Er, how can you prove it at the highest level until you're given a chance to do so..?!

 

After all, as there's no proper World Individual Championship anymore (just a closed-shop GP series) then unlike, say, Collins, Lee & Carter of the past who could use their ability when still young to get there (ie the highest level), the likes of Tai, Ben, James and Ed need to get picked in the World Cup..

 

And as I said before it's physically impossible for them to do any worse..!

 

By the highest level I mean the highest league ie. the elite league. He hasn't proved himself in the elite league so why should he be any better than someone who has performed well in the elite league?

[7oakseagle]

Everyone seems to have an opinion on why we are miles behind the Danes, amongst others, but I was reading the programme from the Danish G.P. yesterday and there is an interview in there with Charlie Gjedde which really sums it all up much better than anything else I have read. Obviously I cannot reproduce the entire piece here but the main points he made are as follows:

 

1. The Danish Motor Union involve people like Eric Gundersen in the development of their youngsters. Eric will get involved in the coaching of the youngsters and quickly iron out any bad habits at an early age.

2. The youngsters start at an early age riding 80cc machines and their rise through the ranks of juniors into seniors is closely monitored by Jan Staechmann, Team Denmark and the Danish Motor Union. For example, Charlie said that he, Nicki Pederson, Hans Anderson and Bjarne Pederson have been riding together since they were eleven years old.

3. Any Danish rider who is starting out in his career gets help and advise from Team Denmark. If any of them have problems with engines, frames or flights etc they can give Jan a call and get help and advise. Gjedde says that this means a lot to younger riders because it helps them to get a good start in the British, Swedish or Polish careers.

4. Team Denmark have a get together every year prior to the start of the season. Jan takes them away, normally to Britain for a week for a get together, which will include the top under 21 boys. Apparantly, everything is taken care of for the riders, flights, hotels etc. All the riders have to do is turn up.

 

For me Charlie summed it up in one sentence when he said "It is no coincidence that we are so strong. We have a great organisation behind us. The reward for all the effort that is put in to help us is the strength in depth of our riders and a strong national squad, definitely".

 

In my humble opinion it is not all about how strong the domestic league is. The Danish League is hardly the strongest in the world is it?

 

The biggest single thing is the development of the youngsters and the continuing help and support that riders get right throught their Speedway careers. This is where we fall down so very badly.

 

All at the BSPA should be made to read Charlie's interview, look at the Danish way of doing things and act now before we crumble completely.

 

[hyderd]

Everyone seems to have an opinion on why we are miles behind the Danes, amongst others, but I was reading the programme from the Danish G.P. yesterday and there is an interview in there with Charlie Gjedde which really sums it all up much better than anything else I have read. Obviously I cannot reproduce the entire piece here but the main points he made are as follows:

 

1. The Danish Motor Union involve people like Eric Gundersen in the development of their youngsters. Eric will get involved in the coaching of the youngsters and quickly iron out any bad habits at an early age.

2. The youngsters start at an early age riding 80cc machines and their rise through the ranks of juniors into seniors is closely monitored by Jan Staechmann, Team Denmark and the Danish Motor Union. For example, Charlie said that he, Nicki Pederson, Hans Anderson and Bjarne Pederson have been riding together since they were eleven years old.

3. Any Danish rider who is starting out in his career gets help and advise from Team Denmark. If any of them have problems with engines, frames or flights etc they can give Jan a call and get help and advise. Gjedde says that this means a lot to younger riders because it helps them to get a good start in the British, Swedish or Polish careers.

4. Team Denmark have a get together every year prior to the start of the season. Jan takes them away, normally to Britain for a week for a get together, which will include the top under 21 boys. Apparantly, everything is taken care of for the riders, flights, hotels etc. All the riders have to do is turn up.

 

For me Charlie summed it up in one sentence when he said "It is no coincidence that we are so strong. We have a great organisation behind us. The reward for all the effort that is put in to help us is the strength in depth of our riders and a strong national squad, definitely".

 

In my humble opinion it is not all about how strong the domestic league is. The Danish League is hardly the strongest in the world is it?

 

The biggest single thing is the development of the youngsters and the continuing help and support that riders get right throught their Speedway careers. This is where we fall down so very badly.

 

All at the BSPA should be made to read Charlie's interview, look at the Danish way of doing things and act now before we crumble completely.

 

Chrst! that would mean they have to spend money.

 

[Star Lady]

The biggest single thing is the development of the youngsters and the continuing help and support that riders get right throught their Speedway careers. This is where we fall down so very badly.

 

All at the BSPA should be made to read Charlie's interview, look at the Danish way of doing things and act now before we crumble completely.

 

Putting on my realist head here, it would be interesting to know exactly who funds Team Denmark and how? As you say the Danish league is not the strongest so I assume that the Danish promoters (if there are such things) do not finance it.

 

Looking at it from a British promoters point of view, exactly what benefit would a successful Team GB have? Most British promoters are part time, in that they have businesses away from the sport, and I can't see where them putting up even more money would benefit the majority of them. So why should they?

 

Do the BSPA fork out to the ACU for anything? Should the ACU be the ones that oversee Team GB?

 

I don't know the answers, I'm merely posting random thoughts and questions.

 

[21st century heathen]

Are you saying that both Scott Nicholls or Chris Harris have never ridden the Coventry track in the past in as a slick condition as last evening and not scored well?

 

This my fourth season watching speedway regularly at Brandon, and believe me when I tell you that when the track is very deep and grippy Scott and (in particular) Chris are very fast around Brandon. I've seen Chris give people a 50 yard head start by the time he's got through to second place and still catch them and win with a bit to spare. The speed he generates is incredible. He broke the track record a few weeks ago when there was some dirt down. Simon hasn't been particularly fast or consistent this season, but all his best rides come early in meetings when there is dirt down. Olly has beaten Jason twoce at Brandon this season when the track has been heavy/grippy. Lee would almost certainly prefer it with grip but not too deep and heavy.

 

Whilst I agree that to get anywhere on the world stage our boys have to learn how to set up the bikes and ride on slick or very slick tracks it doesn't change the fact that they prefer grippy conditions. They should get what they want when on home shale.

[richsimpson]

The Brits (English ) riders lack of ability to ride on any track thrown at them is the very reason that we will never go well in the GP series or in the SWC series.

 

As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, Coventry are also doing very poorly this year so the home track advantage was never a real winner either!

 

And to be fair, whats the point getting to the race off by going through a track doctored to your own tastes anyway. We would be on a high yes, but we would come crashing back down to earth after the first race when riding the slick tracks that for some reason our boys cant quite master!!!

 

We just weren't good enough and I can't see us doing any better in the race off either. Poland 1st, Sweden 2nd followed by the Lame Brits in third place. Close but no cigar

 

I would definitely let some of the younger lads have a go but is it fair to let them when there is less chance of getting through the round anyway. Will it knock there confidence and do more harm than good for them in the future?