MARK246 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I'm pretty certain I saw some overtaking on the broadcast in Sweden. I seem to remember somone passing Scott Nicholls on the line, for example. I wish I could type quicker you beat me to it. SVT 24 showed a meeting which IMO had as much if not more overtaking than any GP this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hell's bells, Kenneth Bjerre was over-taking last night, so it can't have been the hardest thing in the world to achieve, can it? Adrian Rymel passed Hans Andersen in a sweet move. There was over-taking. And more often than not it was the hapless riders in the red helmet colour getting over-taken. Correct. There was a great deal of passing. Unfortunately, for us apart from the odd exception it did not include many or our riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Correct. There was a great deal of passing. Unfortunately, for us apart from the odd exception it did not include many or our riders. Oh, I think you'll find there was, there was lots of passing of our riders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 It obviously only counts as proper over-taking when it is being done by British riders. that must be the reversing overtake then, do you get more points for that. Seems the British team have perfected the move, years of practise I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Oh, I think you'll find there was, there was lots of passing of our riders... I think you are aware of what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hell's bells, Kenneth Bjerre was over-taking last night, so it can't have been the hardest thing in the world to achieve, can it? Adrian Rymel passed Hans Andersen in a sweet move. There was over-taking. And more often than not it was the hapless riders in the red helmet colour getting over-taken. Some Dane remarked near us it was the first time he'd seen Bjerre overtake. Correct. There was a great deal of passing. Unfortunately, for us apart from the odd exception it did not include many or our riders. Normally on the first and second bend on the odd occasion we gated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I think Nicholls, Richardson and Bomber should have been dropped last night and we should have fielded a team of youngsters to give them additional experience. I was of the opinion that we were never going to compete with the Danes and the Swedes to a certain extent and so we only had to beat the Czechs (which we almost did not do). This is why I think it would have been more prudent to field a team with Tai, Kingy, Kennett, Stead and Allen for example to give them some experience. We could have had Nicholls, Rico and Bomber in the pits assisting and advising. I think we are putting Tai under too much pressure and some are expecting him to waltz into Thursday's race off and beat everyone. We are putting into a meeting which puts greater pressure on his shoulders, not that I don't think he has the talent and ability, I just feel it is unfair on him. On a final note, I watched the whole of the meeting last night waiting for team GB to turn up and I'm still waiting and we should remove the word team away from Team GB as a team we are not. The Danes, Czechs and Swedes were seen to be talking to each other after every race, but the brits were not, which is why I think we were so rubbishe and the fact our capital is an ego not a captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I didn't mention British riders did I? I just like to see overtaking and as a general rule you're more likely to see this on a grippy track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I didn't mention British riders did I? I just like to see overtaking and as a general rule you're more likely to see this on a grippy track. For a 'slick track' though, would you not agree that there was a fair amount of overtaking going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 For a 'slick track' though, would you not agree that there was a fair amount of overtaking going on? A little more than the tracks that Olsen usually prepares. Still think that there would have been even more with a grippy track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Reliant Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hmmmmmmmmmm that was a tad embarrasing to say the least, it's not cos our riders are crap cos on their day they can beat the best, they'll have to work out what went wrong and hopefully put things to rights on Thursday. They must compare themselves to the danes and swedes and see what the difference is because there is a difference ....................... Better financial backing from their own federations maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time. Exactly. The point that I was trying to make but stated much better than I ever could Rabbit. (Testicular Fortitude ) Edited July 15, 2008 by Squire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time. the old slick track chestnut has been getting trotted out since the 80s at brandon wether it was a test match or world team cup qualifier you had the brits being interviewed on video moaning about how we are the home team and its set up for the danes how can that happen blah blah blah the bottom line is if a rider has any aspirations of being at the top of the tree with the big boys then you better learn to adapt to all track types its pretty straight forward is it not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time. I agree about the will to win, which was perfectly illustrated by the Danes last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bessiebee Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 the old slick track chestnut has been getting trotted out since the 80s at brandon wether it was a test match or world team cup qualifier you had the brits being interviewed on video moaning about how we are the home team and its set up for the danes how can that happen blah blah blah the bottom line is if a rider has any aspirations of being at the top of the tree with the big boys then you better learn to adapt to all track types its pretty straight forward is it not Yes, but there's only usually one track type at the Grand Prix and World Cup events. It would be nice to have some variation now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) You can all argue as much as ya like but the fact remains that the Danes whinged to get what they wanted cos in practice They we're the crap riders. Edited July 15, 2008 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Better financial backing from their own federations maybe? Believing the Sky sports and other media hype more like. Turn up, home track, poor Swedish team, only need to come second to get to the playoff. Complacency, the low standard of the elite league doesn't help either, all the GB riders look good in their teams, but at international level they are average at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 This is what I don't understand. What has Woffinden done to show he should be considered? Yes he's doing well in the Premier League and the U21, but he hasn't ridden against the best riders to prove he can do it at this level. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but he hasn't proven it at the highlest level yet. Er, how can you prove it at the highest level until you're given a chance to do so..?! After all, as there's no proper World Individual Championship anymore (just a closed-shop GP series) then unlike, say, Collins, Lee & Carter of the past who could use their ability when still young to get there (ie the highest level), the likes of Tai, Ben, James and Ed need to get picked in the World Cup.. And as I said before it's physically impossible for them to do any worse..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 the old slick track chestnut has been getting trotted out since the 80s at brandon wether it was a test match or world team cup qualifier you had the brits being interviewed on video moaning about how we are the home team and its set up for the danes how can that happen blah blah blah the bottom line is if a rider has any aspirations of being at the top of the tree with the big boys then you better learn to adapt to all track types its pretty straight forward is it not Whilst I agree with your point about top class riders being able to ride on any type of track, why wasn't the track prepared to favour the home side as it is in every other country? We all knew we had a weakness in the gating dept and Chris Harris is a racer so whats the problem with preparing a track accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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