Swc Round 2 Coventry 14th July

[MARK246]

Did anyone else think Lindgren finished ahead of Harris in heat 19? Looking at the replay, Lindgren's wheel hits the red line first. It's only in the next frame they are dead level.

 

Yes, but I was watching on SVT 24 so maybe it was a different camera angle

 

[colincooke]

This is all i will say about what occured yesterday.

It's plain & simple really

Team GB are not good enough against the likes of Denmark/Poland /Sweden/Australia.

The reason goes back 20 years as Kelvin Tatum, a man who knows a thing or 2 about how it was back then clearly points out in the race mag.

Since those days British promoters haven't nurtured our youngsters as they should do, haven't put the incentives in at that level, haven't trained them out of their bad habits.

Simon Stead is a classic case here, do you think he would still be locking up & losing momentum if that habit had been nurtured out of him 10 years ago.

Joe Screen is another example, at 16 he was considered to be Britain's next World Champion, but what happened, he wasn't properly coached toward that aim so failed.

The B.S.P A need to look at themselves collectively & take responsibility for their failures in this area, it's the reason Peter Oakes resigned.

We do have natural talent now at Under 15 level but they need the proper training to get to the top, as do our Under 21's such as Tai, Adam Roynon, Joe Haines etc.

Sort it out B.S.P.A.

As for our immediate chances. Well as far this years final goes there nil.

Edited July 15, 2008 by colincooke

[stevebrum]

This is what I don't understand. What has Woffinden done to show he should be considered?

 

Correct, he hasnt.

However he is 17 and finished on the rostrum in the British final!!!!!

Not sure persevering with any of the current crop is worth it.

 

 

Sorry about this, but did I miss something about Lukas Dryml, has he been injured?

 

 

Ales said that his brother had a knee injury and its a flair up of that.

 

Also I dont think Olly Allen did anything wrong last night but wheres the incentive when you know youre out next meeting.

 

The incentive, if ever there was one , would be to wear your body colour with pride, show the world that you are up to the challenge and ensure you perform well enough to NOT be dropped.

Its all very well Lynch saying that riders would be picked for there track knowledge however i defy anyone that would say he wouldnt go to Vojens if he top scored with something 12 or 14 points.

He didnt because he wasnt up to the job.

Not criticism of Oliver - he`s proved my point.

 

[Squire]

Look at it from the front angle they show on sky. The one from the side with a red line is taken from an angle so is not showing a fair view, and is obscured by the fence.

 

If you ignore the red line as being gospel, I think Harris was actually in front and it was not a dead heat. Transponders on the bikes would have instantly have shown the correct result. Also, Adrian Rymel was unlucky to get excluded in heat 14. Nermark squeezed him up and consequently Rymel’s front wheel hit the curb and caused him to turn right. That decision should have been all four back.

 

 

 

[Subedei]

Also, Adrian Rymel was unlucky to get excluded in heat 14. Nermark squeezed him up and consequently Rymel’s front wheel hit the curb and caused him to turn right. That decision should have been all four back.

 

What was truly disgraceful about that incident was Kelvin Tatum MBE's commentary - I wonder if he'd have been so sure and certain that Rymel should be excluded if he'd been a British rider.

As it happens, I thought it was probably a fair enough decision. It could've been all four back, but so could the Nermark one later on. But, I was more than happy with the refereeing last night.

 

[bigend]

This is all i will say about what occured yesterday.

It's plain & simple really

Team GB are not good enough against the likes of Denmark/Poland /Sweden/Australia.

The reason goes back 20 years as Kelvin Tatum, a man who knows a thing or 2 about how it was back then clearly points out in the race mag.

Since those days British promoters haven't nurtured our youngsters as they should do, haven't put the incentives in at that level, haven't trained them out of their bad habits.

Simon Stead is a classic case here, do you think he would still be locking up & losing momentum if that habit had been nurtured out of him 10 years ago.

Joe Screen is another example, at 16 he was considered to be Britain's next World Champion, but what happened, he wasn't properly coached toward that aim so failed.

The B.S.P A need to look at themselves collectively & take responsibility for their failures in this area, it's the reason Peter Oakes resigned.

We do have natural talent now at Under 15 level but they need the proper training to get to the top, as do our Under 21's such as Tai, Adam Roynon, Joe Haines etc.

Sort it out B.S.P.A.

As for our immediate chances. Well as far this years final goes there nil.

whay joke GB under 21 manager/ mentor. was helping the swedes

what chance has the youth

of british speedway got.

 

[mikegum]

This is all i will say about what occured yesterday.

It's plain & simple really

Team GB are not good enough against the likes of Denmark/Poland /Sweden/Australia.

The reason goes back 20 years as Kelvin Tatum, a man who knows a thing or 2 about how it was back then clearly points out in the race mag.

Since those days British promoters haven't nurtured our youngsters as they should do, haven't put the incentives in at that level, haven't trained them out of their bad habits.

Simon Stead is a classic case here, do you think he would still be locking up & losing momentum if that habit had been nurtured out of him 10 years ago.

Joe Screen is another example, at 16 he was considered to be Britain's next World Champion, but what happened, he wasn't properly coached toward that aim so failed.

The B.S.P A need to look at themselves collectively & take responsibility for their failures in this area, it's the reason Peter Oakes resigned.

We do have natural talent now at Under 15 level but they need the proper training to get to the top, as do our Under 21's such as Tai, Adam Roynon, Joe Haines etc.

Sort it out B.S.P.A.

As for our immediate chances. Well as far this years final goes there nil.

 

Have to agree with every word, if the BSPA is interested in British success then we need a proper integrated coaching and mentoring process, the involvement of previous top line riders, a team GBR sponsorship fund to assist with equipment, league structures that give preference to our homegrown talent etc. etc. but who has the vision in the BSPA to drive this sort of thing forward. As you say Peter Oakes resigned because the BSPA wouldn't support even his very basic attempts to put a structure in place for the youngsters, meanwhile the DMU appoint Erik Gundersen to oversee 80cc development across Denmark...compare and contrast!

 

[21st century heathen]

I stick with the riders I've named - because they have all been world champions and therefore have shown that they do have the mental toughness, that something extra required to do so. The fact that they may have been beaten (or put under pressure) by another rider who went on to win the title is irrelevant - no-one can be expected to be an automaton and be mentally tough enough to win on every single occasion. The day comes when even a champion meets his match or has had his day. However the point is that all those riders had shown they had what it took at least once. Most riders will never have the talent, or most importantly, the strength where it matters the most - in their head - to get there even that one time.

 

I agreed with the point you made, and still do.

 

Crazy comment when time and again the British riders MADE good starts and were overtaken by 2, sometimes 3 riders before the 3rd turn.

 

Why was it a crazy comment? They are generally crap out of the start, and when they did make a decent one they were passed because they are generally crap on slick tracks.

[MACK1]

I'll give you 38.85 reasons why Team GB scored what they did tonight.

Nice one Ballinger.Concise,succinct and so very much a factor.

[MACK1]

How about getting behind the boys that are riding tonight?

 

It doesn't matter what we say on here today - Olly is riding ahead of Tai, and he's going to go out there and do his best for his country. Can't we just be supportive, for one day?

Serious omission last night.Why were the riders not introduced individualy to the crowd?At least then we could have have given each of our boys a cheer.

[longlivefrankie]

i would for one have had tai in last nite, i think a serious investigation needs to take place funded by the bspa to get a authority in to carry it out and put a ten year plan in place

[SCOOBYDO]

Get the team together the week before, track is slick, ridiculous running order - all valid comments to be fair, but the truth is that neither riders nor equipment are good enough!

 

I completely agree Genesis, how many times did a GB rider make the gate and then was easily picked off by the other riders ?!!!

 

Stead for one made the gate against AJ and NP, but when he got to turn two the G-force forcing him backwards was too much !!!!!

[Squire]

It seems to me that Tai Woffinden is having a lot of pressure put on his young shoulders by many that say that he should have been included the GB team at Coventry last night, and also his inclusion in the race off on Thursday. Even if he scores very well his inclusion alone is not going to guarantee we qualify. In theory, we had our two best riders and GP regulars on duty last night on a familiar track and surface they are well use to, but for what ever the reason they did not cut it. They know it and we know it.

 

For us to qualify for the final or progress in the competition these riders have got to get results and beat the opposition . They know themselves that they are more than capable of doing that.

Edited July 15, 2008 by Squire

[colincooke]

In theory, we had our two best riders and GP regulars on duty last night on a familiar track and surface they are well use to, but for what ever the reason they did not cut it.

The track yes, the surface no. It's typical of the Danes to whinge & get what they want.

In practice track was deep & grippy & the Brits we're flying as was AJ.

Danes whinge, Olsen says jump,Meredith jumps, slick surface, i call it cheating what about you.

Only from Heat 16 to 20 last night was the track a bit grippier when the drizzle fell & at that point there was a small improvement in Team GB scoring, coincidence, i think not.

[Subedei]

Only from Heat 16 to 20 last night was the track a bit grippier when the drizzle fell & at that point there was a small improvement in Team GB scoring, coincidence, i think not.

 

Or a run of inside gates?

 

[Squire]

The track yes, the surface no. It's typical of the Danes to whinge & get what they want.

In practice track was deep & grippy & the Brits we're flying as was AJ.

Danes whinge, Olsen says jump,Meredith jumps, slick surface, i call it cheating what about you.

Only from Heat 16 to 20 last night was the track a bit grippier when the drizzle fell & at that point there was a small improvement in Team GB scoring, coincidence, i think not.

 

Are you saying that both Scott Nicholls or Chris Harris have never ridden the Coventry track in the past in as a slick condition as last evening and not scored well? Or that only the Danes have the ability to ride a slick track ? Or there was a conspiracy in providing a race track that only the Danes had an unfair advantage? Or god was on our side in the end, and allowed it to rain a little and provide some extra grip?

Edited July 15, 2008 by Squire

[Bessiebee]

The track yes, the surface no. It's typical of the Danes to whinge & get what they want.

In practice track was deep & grippy & the Brits we're flying as was AJ.

Danes whinge, Olsen says jump,Meredith jumps, slick surface, i call it cheating what about you.

Only from Heat 16 to 20 last night was the track a bit grippier when the drizzle fell & at that point there was a small improvement in Team GB scoring, coincidence, i think not.

My thoughts exactly.

 

Slick tracks, which Olsen always prepares for the Danes, are so boring. Generally, first out the gates wins - yawn. I'd like to think that one day he might prepare a track with grip on it so we can see some overtaking.

[Subedei]

My thoughts exactly.

 

Slick tracks, which Olsen always prepares for the Danes, are so boring. Generally, first out the gates wins - yawn. I'd like to think that one day he might prepare a track with grip on it so we can see some overtaking.

 

Hell's bells, Kenneth Bjerre was over-taking last night, so it can't have been the hardest thing in the world to achieve, can it? Adrian Rymel passed Hans Andersen in a sweet move. There was over-taking. And more often than not it was the hapless riders in the red helmet colour getting over-taken.

 

[Anders]

My thoughts exactly.

 

Slick tracks, which Olsen always prepares for the Danes, are so boring. Generally, first out the gates wins - yawn. I'd like to think that one day he might prepare a track with grip on it so we can see some overtaking.

 

I'm pretty certain I saw some overtaking on the broadcast in Sweden. I seem to remember somone passing Scott Nicholls on the line, for example.

[Subedei]

I'm pretty certain I saw some overtaking on the broadcast in Sweden. I seem to remember somone passing Scott Nicholls on the line, for example.

 

It obviously only counts as proper over-taking when it is being done by British riders.