Rico Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Fingersfin, see the posts up above for Bydgoszcz's next fixtures against Grudziadz and Poznan. Both are matches that Polonia should win. Just to remind Mateusz of what the Torun fans sung to me at the Under 21 final in Ostrow last year "Derby with Grudziadz, you've got you're derby with Grudziadz". While it may hurt, you've got to admit it's funny MK. I hope you enjoy the matches and Polonia bank the match points. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingersfin Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Cheers Rico, sorry I should have been paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) Just to remind Mateusz of what the Torun fans sung to me at the Under 21 final in Ostrow last year "Derby with Grudziadz, you've got you're derby with Grudziadz". While it may hurt, you've got to admit it's funny MK. I hope you enjoy the matches and Polonia bank the match points. The most important thing is that we still have the derby match and teutonics have to wait at least one year BTW - if those fans were so funny just ask them "where Karolek is" Edited April 24, 2008 by Mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Fingersfin, see the posts up above for Bydgoszcz's next fixtures against Grudziadz and Poznan. Both are matches that Polonia should win. Just to remind Mateusz of what the Torun fans sung to me at the Under 21 final in Ostrow last year "Derby with Grudziadz, you've got you're derby with Grudziadz". While it may hurt, you've got to admit it's funny MK. I hope you enjoy the matches and Polonia bank the match points. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Just to remind Mateusz of what the Torun fans sung to me at the Under 21 final in Ostrow last year "Derby with Grudziadz, you've got you're derby with Grudziadz". While it may hurt, you've got to admit it's funny MK. I hope you enjoy the matches and Polonia bank the match points. Rico I remember what the w@nkers sung. However, it doesn't feel like a derby match to me. There's only one proper derby and hopefully we'll have it next yr. But so far I've been enjoying these Division 1 matches. Speedway is speedway and Polonia are my team, no matter where. Nawet w 1 lidze Polonii sie nie wstydze! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Exactly...The Real Derby match are Bydgoszcz v Torun, and the most fantastic atmosphere is when Polonia wins at Torun :-) Rico - You remember 17.06.2006 and last Polonia`s win @ Teutonic city [that doesn`t exists on any maps - Mateusz will explain what I mean :-)] you were watching this match on DVD... BTW - Teutonics are being built new speedway stadium [about 15 000 sitting places]. If Polonia will get its promotoion to Extraleague, I wish to any Bydgoszcz fan that ride first match of 2009 season should be staged @ Torun. You know - new season, new stadium, new win for Torun...And then Polonia wins at new teutonic stadium and all Torun fans are disapointed and angry :-) TThe new speedway stadium is baptisted by Bydgoszcz team and fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Exactly...The Real Derby match are Bydgoszcz v Torun, and the most fantastic atmosphere is when Polonia wins at Torun :-) Rico - You remember 17.06.2006 and last Polonia`s win @ Teutonic city [that doesn`t exists on any maps - Mateusz will explain what I mean :-)] you were watching this match on DVD... BTW - Teutonics are being built new speedway stadium [about 15 000 sitting places]. If Polonia will get its promotoion to Extraleague, I wish to any Bydgoszcz fan that ride first match of 2009 season should be staged @ Torun. You know - new season, new stadium, new win for Torun...And then Polonia wins at new teutonic stadium and all Torun fans are disapointed and angry :-) TThe new speedway stadium is baptisted by Bydgoszcz team and fans I'm going to upset the Bydgoszcz fans and I'm sorry for it, but didn't your city once have a Teutonic sounding name (Bromberg)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I'm going to upset the Bydgoszcz fans and I'm sorry for it, but didn't your city once have a Teutonic sounding name (Bromberg)? It did, like many Polish cities under the Prussia's occupation. It doesn't upset me tho'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) Pleasant surprise in the final heat commentary: "Blizzard of consonants, blizzard of consonants.....Workington Comets....blizzard of consonants." Love it! Edited April 24, 2008 by Fourentee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 I said : "Daniel Nermark records another fantastic night. Yesterday he scored 13 + 1 points during Premier Trophy match between Workington Comets and Glasgow Tigers that finished 60:32 for home riders, and now he leads in final heat to score another 3 points and win for Ostrow" :-) I think I will speak to Darek to add an option with British subtitles :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradford Ace Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 As i'm now watching 2-3 Polish meetings per week i thought i'd ask a few questions 2 help bring me more up2 speed with this fantastic standard of racing. The big talking point of this summer in England was the slashing of the points limit for this season. What's the score in Poland, is there a points limit & what is it?? Noted that in the 1st Div that there is 8 riders per team but presume they dont all have 2 ride as Bydgoszcz on sunday at Ostrow only used 7. Is there also a minimum number of rides they must have & do the averages come out once a month for example as surely Emil Sajfutdinov wont be at reserve 4 long as he must be near the top of the averages now?? Simon Stead however cud be a useful rsv if he drops down. Sorry 4 all the questions but as i'm getting in2 it now then i thought i'd double check a few things!! Plenty more 2 follow no doubt as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 (edited) Reserves in Poland must be u-21 riders, they stay there for the season. There is no minimum ride rule in Poland, in fact it's quite common for riders to not even get a race. I must agree, watcing this stuff just shows how poor British Speedway really is. Although having said that, the ELiga teams look less evenly balanced than normal this year, with Tarnow particularly gash! Riders like Bjarne Pedersen, Andreas Jonsson and Chris Harris in the 2nd division shows how Promotion and Relegation can work if the infrastructure is in place. Edited April 24, 2008 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 I said : "Daniel Nermark records another fantastic night. Yesterday he scored 13 + 1 points during Premier Trophy match between Workington Comets and Glasgow Tigers that finished 60:32 for home riders, and now he leads in final heat to score another 3 points and win for Ostrow" :-) I think I will speak to Darek to add an option with British subtitles :-) Nah, just give me a ring and stream live commentary to my phone! Seriously, though, an excellent highlights package. Decent camerawork, the heats follow on quickly without too much faffing about and I'm sure the commentary is fine! Any chance of a scorechart (I was bumped off the computer pretty much as soon as the last heat finished, so I'm assuming there wasn't one before the end titles)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 I think they bring up the total scores for each rider at the end, not how they got them. e.g. Chris Harris 6 instead of Chris Harris 1 2 3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 As i'm now watching 2-3 Polish meetings per week i thought i'd ask a few questions 2 help bring me more up2 speed with this fantastic standard of racing. The big talking point of this summer in England was the slashing of the points limit for this season. What's the score in Poland, is there a points limit & what is it?? Noted that in the 1st Div that there is 8 riders per team but presume they dont all have 2 ride as Bydgoszcz on sunday at Ostrow only used 7. Is there also a minimum number of rides they must have & do the averages come out once a month for example as surely Emil Sajfutdinov wont be at reserve 4 long as he must be near the top of the averages now?? Simon Stead however cud be a useful rsv if he drops down. Sorry 4 all the questions but as i'm getting in2 it now then i thought i'd double check a few things!! Plenty more 2 follow no doubt as well! Okay, there is no points limit in Poland. And averages play no part in determining where riders are positioned in the team. In Liga I there are eight man teams, Nos 1-5 (9-13 for the home team) may be any age, Nos 6-7 (14-15) and referred to as "juniors" must be aged 21 or under and No 8 (16) must be aged 23 or under. The No 8 (16) may replace any rider in the 1-5 at anytime, or, if the No 8 (16) is 21 or under, any rider at any time, up to a maximum number of rides (5, I think). Since "Unsteady" is well past 21 years of age, he won't be allowed to drop down. And if he carries on the way he's going, he might find Zenon Plech dropping him from the Bydgoszcz team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Okay, there is no points limit in Poland. And averages play no part in determining where riders are positioned in the team. In Liga I there are eight man teams, Nos 1-5 (9-13 for the home team) may be any age, Nos 6-7 (14-15) and referred to as "juniors" must be aged 21 or under and No 8 (16) must be aged 23 or under. The No 8 (16) may replace any rider in the 1-5 at anytime, or, if the No 8 (16) is 21 or under, any rider at any time, up to a maximum number of rides (5, I think). Since "Unsteady" is well past 21 years of age, he won't be allowed to drop down. And if he carries on the way he's going, he might find Zenon Plech dropping him from the Bydgoszcz team. Nearly right - rider under number 8(16) is also only U21 Full rules you can find HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradford Ace Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Nearly right - rider under number 8(16) is also only U21 Full rules you can find HERE Cheers. Is there a minimum number of rides each man must have?? How many points down before u can bring in someone and is this for double points like England?? Presume reserves can replace any of the others at any time?? Whats the riding order also?? Is Heat 15 a nominated one like in England?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Let me explain you some rules of Polish Speedway In match in team there are 8 riders (numbers 9-16 for home team, and 1-8 for away). Riders under numbers 6, 7 and 8 (or 14, 15 and 16) must be U21, two of them must be pole. The U21 rider can be replaced only by U21 rider. There are also jokers, tactical substitutions and rider replacements. There are aggregate points - Jokers are when team is 10 points behind, tactical substitutes are when team is 6 pts behind [any rider of 1-8 and 9-16 can be used as TS once, bur tactical substitution can be used by team manager any time when team is 6 points behind - even 4 or 5 during meeeting]. rider number 7 [15] has 2 rides programmed, but he can be used as reserve for another programmed rider 1-6 [9-14] any time in the match, but he can not be used more than 5 rides [or 6 rides when he was used as TS or 7 rides when he was used as TS and RR]. Number 7 and 8 [15 and 16] are reserved riders all the time. Number 8 [16] can be used in the same way like no 7 [15], but #8 [16] is not programmed rider. If one of programmed riders will touch the tapes when green light is on, then referee must exclude him from heat, but excluded rider is replaced by rider wearing #7 or #8 [15 or 16 for home team]. I Polish leagues there is no points limit. team can use any rider in their line uo, but in Extraleague [and in I and II liga as well I think] must have at least 2 riders with Polish licence in match`s line-up. Since 2009 there must be at least 3 riders with Polish licence in match`s line-up. Managers can use only 2 Grand Prix riders in match`s line up. If there are 2 or 3 non Polish licence U-21`s in team`s line-up, there can be only one used under 6,7 or 8 [14,15 or 16]positions during the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedropete Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Lawrence, I too would like to say thank you, thank you, thank you for the link to the TV channel. It is great! If only our British TV channels were as enthusiaistic about British speedway as you are in Poland. Keep up the good work. I have just watched the RKM-Polonia meeting and really enjoyed it. I am an Ipswich Witches Supporter and a fan of Piotr Swiderski, so it was really great to see him riding in his home country. He is a great speedway rider and I hope his season continues to be successful. Thank you again! Would love to meet you. As previously mentioned I am sure Rico will make it happen. Ped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Cheers. Is there a minimum number of rides each man must have?? How many points down before u can bring in someone and is this for double points like England?? Presume reserves can replace any of the others at any time?? Whats the riding order also?? Is Heat 15 a nominated one like in England?? No, there is no minimum rides rule in Poland. The tactical rules appear to be a hybrid of British systems old and and new. If you're six points or more down, it's the old Tactical Substitute rules that we all knew and loved. But if you go ten points or more down, the Tactical Substitute can be nominated as a "Joker" and go for double points. Yes, the junior riders can replace riders at any stage of the meeting. The juniors have six programmed rides between them and these MUST be taken by a junior, so you couldn't replace a Sitera with Crump as Tactical Substitute, for example. The racing order, in British terms is: Ht 1..6-7 vs 6-7 Ht 2..1-2 vs 1-2 Ht 3..3-4 vs 3-4 Ht 4..5-6 vs 5-6 Ht 5..3-4 vs 1-2 Ht 6..5-6 vs 3-4 Ht 7..1-2 vs 5-6 Ht 8..5-6 vs 1-2 Ht 9..1-2 vs 3-4 Ht 10..3-4 vs 5-6 Ht 11..2-5 vs 2-3 Ht 12..3-6 vs 1-6 Ht 13..1-5 vs 4-5 Ht 14..Nominated (low scorers) Ht 15..Nominated (high scorers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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