M08 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Edited to reply to M08 Yes Jonathan has ridden a speedway bike, as has his father. Maybe a few more promoters should be seen talking to people, especially fans, that's why he and Buster are so much respected by Lynn fans, even those that don't agree with them. Quite a few promoters think fans should pay and shut up. That's not the Chapmans way, they will always talk to fans, whether the fans like them or not. Yeah, which is great, BUT IMO Jonathan goes OTT. He's not going to get any respect from the top riders when he's slagging them off, is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) Yeah, which is great, BUT IMO Jonathan goes OTT. He's not going to get any respect from the top riders when he's slagging them off, is he? I don't dispute that Jonathon goes over the top, it's part of his persona I'd rather that which shows some passion than a cold hearted businessman who would close a club down cos it didn't suit his business plan. Anyway from reading comments on here, it's only Lynn fans and one Sheffield fan who have any respect for him, so why shouldn't he say what he thinks ;p Edited April 7, 2008 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Maybe in future when meetings are called off, the riders should be made to stand at the exits and say sorry to the fans that there is no racing. "Sorry, we've asked to call the meeting off because we don't feel that riding on this track would be safe." "Apologies, I'm not actually willing to risk injury - or worse - so we're calling the meeting off due to weather conditions." Hmm, all seems pretty valid to me! Isn't the main thing that no riders get hurt... or worse!? Nobody likes to see a rider injured (well, I assume nobody does) so surely them taking steps to prevent any injury on what they've deemed an unsafe track should be respected? I know it's annoying that meetings get called off, especially if you've travelled - I've been victim to this many a time, including at Kings Lynn! - but, well for me anyway, the riders' safety is the most important thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 "Sorry, we've asked to call the meeting off because we don't feel that riding on this track would be safe." "Apologies, I'm not actually willing to risk injury - or worse - so we're calling the meeting off due to weather conditions." Hmm, all seems pretty valid to me! Isn't the main thing that no riders get hurt... or worse!? Nobody likes to see a rider injured (well, I assume nobody does) so surely them taking steps to prevent any injury on what they've deemed an unsafe track should be respected? I know it's annoying that meetings get called off, especially if you've travelled - I've been victim to this many a time, including at Kings Lynn! - but, well for me anyway, the riders' safety is the most important thing. Rider safety is important, I'm not saying othewise. I'm simply saying that occasionally it would be nice if the riders actually spoke to the fans when this happens. Some promoters do so already, but it's not the promoters who call meetings off is it. Come to think of it maybe referees should stand at the exits as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Rider safety is important, I'm not saying othewise. I'm simply saying that occasionally it would be nice if the riders actually spoke to the fans when this happens. Some promoters do so already, but it's not the promoters who call meetings off is it. Come to think of it maybe referees should stand at the exits as well I don't think it's the riders place to do so. They're not the ones collecting the money, or dictating how much spectators should pay. You wouldn't see a footballer, rugby player, athlete standing at the gate if a game/match/race etc had to be cancelled for whatever reason. And there are, of course, some spectators who would have been very unhappy with the decision and blame to riders - I for one wouldn't want to face someone who was blaming me for the cancellation. I know someone's got to do it, but I think as promoter/owner you sign up for this kind of thing when you take up the position... As for standing the refs at the exit - you might as well feed them to the lions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Rider safety is the most important thing...But the problem is the do you believe riders like Bjarne would refuse to ride a GP if the track was like that ...No because Ole would tell them they are riding..They would not dare walk out and say if its on i aint riding.....Its the double standards that upset fans and promoters.......I believe some riders think British Speedway need them more than they need British Speedway......As Nicki has found out...it aint true...... M08 I know you are not a big fan of JC....but give credit where credit is due mate.... jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Rider safety is the most important thing...But the problem is the do you believe riders like Bjarne would refuse to ride a GP if the track was like that ...No because Ole would tell them they are riding..They would not dare walk out and say if its on i aint riding.....Its the double standards that upset fans and promoters.......I believe some riders think British Speedway need them more than they need British Speedway......As Nicki has found out...it aint true...... But, from what has been said on here and otherwise, Bjarne wasn't the only riding voicing concerns. Also, some spectators have argued that it was the right decision. I don't see where the argument is, to be honest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sjl Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I was there I paid £15 coach fare, £20 to get in. I was frozen and miserable and very pi**ed off that it had to be cancelled But not at any point did I question the decision --- one look at the track said it all. It then continued to hammer it down on the way home! It's just bad luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I was there I paid £15 coach fare, £20 to get in. I was frozen and miserable and very pi**ed off that it had to be cancelled But not at any point did I question the decision --- one look at the track said it all. It then continued to hammer it down on the way home! It's just bad luck If only all fans were as fair minded as yourself. I do notice it's the people that didn't actually go who are complaining the loudest though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sjl Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 If only all fans were as fair minded as yourself. I do notice it's the people that didn't actually go who are complaining the loudest though. As is often the way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Don't know the sp on the weather on saturday but thought it was worth pointing out the following (from the Amateur racing section): I would just like to say well done to all those who ran and participated in the Southern Track Riders meeting at Kings Lynn [on Sunday morning immediately after the called off ELP]. Lots of credit to the riders, including the youngsters, who rode the same wet and heavy track that scared the Elite League riders last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) Don't know the sp on the weather on saturday but thought it was worth pointing out the following (from the Amateur racing section): With all due respect, there is a world of difference between the STR and some of the Worlds best riders racing around a track. Wet or otherwise, how many people paid £20.00 to get in and watch the STR? I hate this kind of reverse snobbery. Edited April 7, 2008 by Blazeaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaKazza Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Speedways already dangerouse as it is - theres no need to make it even more dangerouse. Bjarne and Leigh are entitled to be concered for their saftey and the saftey of their fellow riders.. JC just seems like an idiot now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris26 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 (edited) I know it's annoying that meetings get called off, especially if you've travelled - I've been victim to this many a time, including at Kings Lynn! - but, well for me anyway, the riders' safety is the most important thing. agreed, rider safety is very important and they should not risk themselves unnecessarily. I think people wouldn't be so disappointed with postponements/abandonments (if the weather is the winner and a meeting is rained off) IF all speedway trackstaff across the country actually made an effort to at least try and get a surface that is suitable for racing. As an Ipswich fan, we are very lucky to have Bob as our trackman and he does a fantastic job - take the peterborough meeting on March 27th. It had been raining steadily a lot of the day til abot late afternoon/early evening, yet our trackman at Foxhall put in a sterling effort to produce a track, which was at least raceable and safe for riders to race on. Shame that not all trackstaff are like Ipswich's trackman, who we are very lucky to have prepare our racetracks Edited April 7, 2008 by chris26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamtig Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Maybe in future when meetings are called off, the riders should be made to stand at the exits and say sorry to the fans that there is no racing. Why should they? It was clear on Saturday night that even if the meeting had gone ahead it wouldn't have been in the slightest bit entertaining. I'm sure the riders are a better judge of track conditions that anyone from the other side of the fence. If they had have ridden, this thread would just have been people moaning about the lack of racing and riders not trying due to the conditions. Seems they just can't win either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I didnt go.Glad I didnt,the way things have turned out. When it comes down to safety,track conditions,etc,I wouldnt hesitate to listen to the riders. If riders say its not worth the risk,I would accept it.Its their lives on the line. Shame the Chapmans cant accept that the riders DO know best. Oh,and by the way,the ONLY person who can call off a meeting is the referee,not the riders. I must admit to not having a lot of time for the Chapmans.Even less now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOBBY Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I went Saturday, and as I said earlier wasted about 9 hours of the day, had some crap food and froze my n*** off as well .... on the night I was really chuffed off .... I wasn't angry with Jonathon or Buster Chapman (they did their level best), not with the riders (they have their safety and their families to think about) and not with the track staff ( they tried their hardest as well ). In fact after a cup of decent tea and chance to think SENSIBLY about it I thought that I would rather it was cancelled than have either of my teams riders, Adam Shields and Jonas Davidsson, injured and missing from important Elite League action...Jesus we already have AJ out and Leigh Lanham still quite sore after a dodgy bit of track caused their accident up at Belle Vue. Everyone rants on the day and I dare say that JC is still smarting under the pressure of trying to get the meeting on and also the added pressure in being the Director of super7even operations and the one everyone will bitch at when refunds are required etc etc. It will all calm down soon and may I politely suggest that everyone on here should as well, as keeping on argueing is just fuelling the fire. If everyone actually must have to find someone to blame, then maybe we should all take a good look at ourselves and our predecessors, as it is the stupid and worrying climate changes that are causing these sort of problems, and it is us that have and still are stuffing up our planet !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaKazza Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Only if you belive we cause climate change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzuki star 882 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 With all due respect, there is a world of difference between the STR and some of the Worlds best riders racing around a track. Wet or otherwise, how many people paid £20.00 to get in and watch the STR? I hate this kind of reverse snobbery. You are right there is a world of difference between the worlds best and the amateurs, which is the whole point. The amateurs raced the same wet and heavy track the next day without hesitation. The point being that some of the "worlds best" should have been professional enough to respect the supporters, believe in their own ability and been prepared to try and race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 i think JC should have handled the situation better, to publicly slag off the riders is not the way to go and makes the situation worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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