spin king Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Neil had 2 seasons with Glasgow (92 & 97) and also rode with Wolves Somerset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Somerset. Wal Morton - a dear old chap - seems to be the overall leader. I'm too lazy but can anyone do a provisional "league table" when they get time please. Here's another: KEITH HARVEY: High Beech Stamford Bridge Wimbledon West Ham Luton Birmingham Crystal Palace Norwich New Cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 But surely Chapelizod was in another country?So if you use clubs from other countries riders like Mark Loram would have a few to add to his list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) But surely Chapelizod was in another country?So if you use clubs from other countries riders like Mark Loram would have a few to add to his list Who rode at Chapelizod? Edited March 19, 2008 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Who rode at Chapelizod? Dublin Lizods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I did point out when I first listed Wal's teams that irish tracks like Belfast may not count but on the strength of oddfossengens posting I left them in. They are British Isles anyhow, hardly the same as counting Continental teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I agree with your approach Chunky-also looking at the list brought back some good memories.Thanx for starting this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) I would add that George Major rode for Norwich in Easter & Britannia Competitions in 1964. Both of these were Official S C B recognised Competitions under the National League banner of the day. I agree that the poster who started it all should say what counts. , Even if it robs "our Wal" of his "rightful place" at the top. I would also add Crayford to Nigel Sparshott's list. He started in the Anglian League there. Edited March 19, 2008 by star ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I would add that George Major rode for Norwich in Easter & Britannia Competitions in 1964. Both of these were Official S C B recognised Competitions under the National League banner of the day. I agree that the poster who started it all should say what counts. , Even if it robs "our Wal" of his "rightful place" at the top Dear old "Wandering Wal of the Raceways"...who gave him that nickname I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) I would add that George Major rode for Norwich in Easter & Britannia Competitions in 1964. Both of these were Official S C B recognised Competitions under the National League banner of the day. I agree that the poster who started it all should say what counts. , Even if it robs "our Wal" of his "rightful place" at the top. I would also add Crayford to Nigel Sparshott's list. He started in the Anglian League there. When I received further information about George Major, that's why I chose to include Norwich for him. Also (I don't know how nobody noticed), I inadvertantly left Bristol off of Wal Morton's tracks. That has been rectified, and now Wal proudly joins Moggo at the top of the list! Thanks for the Nigel Sparshott amendment; don't know how that one slipped by me... Steve PS We'll give "our Wal" an honourable mention for appearing for an Irish team! Edited March 19, 2008 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 When I received further information about George Major, that's why I chose to include Norwich for him. Also (I don't know how nobody noticed), I inadvertantly left Bristol off of Wal Morton's tracks. That has been rectified, and now Wal proudly joins Moggo at the top of the list! Thanks for the Nigel Sparshott amendment; don't know how that one slipped by me... Steve PS We'll give "our Wal" an honourable mention for appearing for an Irish team! When and for how long did Wal Morton ride for Bristol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 (edited) When and for how long did Wal Morton ride for Bristol? According to star ghost, he rode for Bristol in 1936. Before my time, I'm afraid... Steve Edited March 20, 2008 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 This does seem to have prompted some interesting discussion... The question is, do we include non-league teams? Here's an updated list. 18 - WAL MORTON (Belfast, Bradford, Bradford (Odsal), Bristol, Coventry, Glasgow WC, Hackney, Harringay, Ipswich, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Motherwell, Newcastle, Norwich, West Ham, West Ham Res, Weymouth, Wimbledon 16 - TONY FEATHERSTONE (Boston, Bradford, Crayford, Exeter, Hackney, King's Lynn, King's Lynn II, Leicester, Long Eaton, Milton Keynes, Newport, Peterborough, Poole, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Wolves) 11 - MARK BURROWS (Belle Vue, Buxton, Cleveland, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Long Eaton, Middlesbrough, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Stoke, Wimbledon) I see that in Wal Morton's impressive list, 'West Ham Reserves' gets an mention..; and, for example, Tony Featherstone's list includes both King's Lynn and 'King's Lynn II'. Well, in that case - you need to add the Stoke CL team (the Spitfires) to Buzz's list as he rode for them (in early 2003), as well as his stints with the senior Potters. Call them 'Stoke II' and Buzz's total should be up to 12..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 According to star ghost, he rode for Bristol in 1936. Before my time, I'm afraid... Steve A possibility indeed, because Bristol was then a 'second division' side jointly run by senior clubs New Cross and Wimbledon. Wal Morton at Bristol is a new fact for me. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markone Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 9 - STEVE JOHNSTON (Arena, Belle Vue, Coventry, Ipswich, Long Eaton, Oxford, Sheffield, Swindon, Wolves) Great list! When footy players transfer they often recall a team that was their favourite and add that they always look for their results on a saturday! I wonder who's scores johnno looks for!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I see that in Wal Morton's impressive list, 'West Ham Reserves' gets an mention..; and, for example, Tony Featherstone's list includes both King's Lynn and 'King's Lynn II'. Well, in that case - you need to add the Stoke CL team (the Spitfires) to Buzz's list as he rode for them (in early 2003), as well as his stints with the senior Potters. Call them 'Stoke II' and Buzz's total should be up to 12..!! Thanks, I'll update that now. As we said, the reserve teams etc were a separate entity, and the junior teams (King's Lynn II, Belle Vue Colts) and Conference League sides should be treated exactly the same. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 (edited) Thanks, I'll update that now. As we said, the reserve teams etc were a separate entity, and the junior teams (King's Lynn II, Belle Vue Colts) and Conference League sides should be treated exactly the same. Steve Let's not forget that Wal Morton's career spanned the years 1932-64 and that only the Canadian rider Mike Tams seems to have raced for a longer period - 1947-82 (35 seasons). Meanwhile, 59-year-old East Coast USA rider Gene Bonsignore starts his 31st season this summer. Any more details on Wal at Bristol in 1936? The missing link in my chain-of-teams for him. Thanks. Edited March 20, 2008 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Also, looking through The Complete History of the British League, George is recorded as appearing once for Belle Vue (1971), once for Glasgow (1972) ... Neither of these publications include guest appearances. 15 - GEORGE MAJOR(Aldershot, Belle Vue, Birmingham, Cradley, Doncaster, Glasgow, Leicester, Neath, Newcastle, Norwich, Oxford, Sheffield, St. Austell, Wolves, Yarmouth) 13 - NEIL COLLINS 12 - CHRIS JULIAN 12 - NIGEL SPARSHOTT 12 - KEN VALE 11 - MARK BURROWS (Belle Vue, Buxton, Cleveland, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Long Eaton, Middlesbrough, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Stoke, Wimbledon) Right. If the solitary appearances for these two clubs 'count' in George Major's list, then so should Buzz's one appearance each for top league clubs Hull & Coventry in the mid-'90s. They too feature in Oakesy's publications and, are NOT 'guest' appearances...!! Added to the extra one identified earlier, this pushes Buzz's total up to 14 Am I a man on a mission this morning or wot..??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Right. If the solitary appearances for these two clubs 'count' in George Major's list, then so should Buzz's one appearance each for top league clubs Hull & Coventry in the mid-'90s. Absolutely! Unfortunately, I don't have the book. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Absolutely! Unfortunately, I don't have the book. Steve I think more teams/clubs can be added to Wal Morton's list, if the guidelines on some previous Posts are followed. The following clubs are among those included against his name - Norwich, West Ham, Ipswich and Wimbledon. Apart from Ipswich, the other three were in pre-war days (Norwich 1937-39, West Ham 1934, Wimbledon 1935-36. He was post-war at Ipswich 1951). However, in his 32 year career, Morton made some return visits to these clubs. He was back at Norwich in 1948, then again from 1956-59. He returned for a season at West Ham in 1952. And Wal also had two seasons with Wimbledon, in 1949 and then again in 1951. Besides riding in Ipswich's first season he was back for them again in their 1959 Southern Area League season. As these were obviously all separate contract deals, surely this validates them as separate clubs? If so, it adds six more clubs (teams) to his list, thus giving him a total of 24 teams/clubs that he appeared for. And if Chapelizod (RoI) are allowed (he was there in 1950) the total grows to 25. "Wandering Wal of the Raceways" indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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