Gemini Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 .....And I'm vegetarian. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Interesting topic!  I don't give a monkey's if people think it's 'sad' to fill in a programme - personally I get a bit peed off with people who DON'T buy a programme and then keep asking people who have what the score is!!!!! :twisted:  I couldn´t have said it better myself!  In my younger years I probably looked over my fathers shoulder but since the ages of eight I´ve filled in programmes from all meetings I´ve been to, or at least so far back I can remember at the moment. Really can´t imagine how it would be not to fill in one and I dread the day when they are sold out, that´s why I usually print my own. Strange? Well, that´s me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sir Lunchalot Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Can I say I think Porky has a point !!!! Â Not in criticising people for filling in programs BUT that in the modern era the fact that a sport can't provide a good results service to the fans at the venue. Look at lots of stadia now, they have electronic scoreboards, immediate replays, data on the players / riders / competitors etc. As it is how many complaints do you hear that "I couldn't hear the loudspeaker on turn 2 anyway" ? Â I think Porky was actually making the point that "the way forward" might include updating a few old concepts. If the sport wants to attract newcomers then the odd upgrade or two won't go astray !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Not in criticising people for filling in programs BUT that in the modern era the fact that a sport can't provide a good results service to the fans at the venue. Look at lots of stadia now, they have electronic scoreboards, immediate replays, data on the players / riders / competitors etc. As it is how many complaints do you hear that "I couldn't hear the loudspeaker on turn 2 anyway" ? Â Not many of these modern stadiums with electronic scoreboards, replay screens etc are speedway stadiums. OK we get the Millennium Stadium once a year but the modern football stadiums are not built for speedway and do not want speedway as they are designed square so the fans can be close to the pitch. Even Odsal has now slammed the door on speedway with hospitality boxes at one end and the former speedway track concreted. It seems our sport has to go the way of Somerset, Trelawny etc and set up venues from scratch out of the towns to avoid noise nuisance. Therefore we must ensure that these venues have adequate PA systems so that fans can be properly informed and fill their programmes in correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sir Lunchalot Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 I know where you are coming from Rog and there is a cost to all of this but if speedway is competing with other sports for spectators it has to be mindful of the quality of product it serves up. Â I'm not talking a state of the art multi million pound scoreboard or scoring system, but surely it shouldn't be too hard to have a scoreboard with 2 teams and 14 riders names on it with scores updated after each heat. Â Those that wanted to could still keep filling in programs but a score service would make it far easier for the newbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 I'm not talking a state of the art multi million pound scoreboard or scoring system, but surely it shouldn't be too hard to have a scoreboard with 2 teams and 14 riders names on it with scores updated after each heat. Â Mount it on the side of the tractor and it would be visible at all points of the stadium. Always assuming the track gets graded of course ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jake Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 well i got sick of filling programs in at newcastle due to the huge delays - they upped the admission prices so there is no way im going to put more money in their pockets buying a program until they run the show a little more smoothly - so far this season we have had one meeting running on time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Because of the speed , the noise , the smell and excitement .Its a great sport , but newbie fans will be scared away by the failed train spotters . Â Your name's Porky & you're attracted to smell, says it all really. Â Â Â Â Â (A pint of Newcy brown & a bag of scratchings please smilie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PorkyFenman Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Your name's Porky & you're attracted to smell, says it all really. Â In Mongolian , 'tamer' means sodomite . Have you a season ticket at the zoo ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 In Mongolian , 'tamer' means sodomite . Have you a season ticket at the zoo ? Â Err, now you mention it, yes I do. Â Â (I think I'd better change my sig quick smilie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jake Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 JJ, Print your own programme, I normally do  its hard to carry a pint, a burger and fill in a program - pints and burgers are enough for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Can I say I think Porky has a point !!!! Not in criticising people for filling in programs BUT that in the modern era the fact that a sport can't provide a good results service to the fans at the venue. Look at lots of stadia now, they have electronic scoreboards, immediate replays, data on the players / riders / competitors etc. As it is how many complaints do you hear that "I couldn't hear the loudspeaker on turn 2 anyway" ?  I think Porky was actually making the point that "the way forward" might include updating a few old concepts. If the sport wants to attract newcomers then the odd upgrade or two won't go astray !!  But filling in programs isn't just about seeing what the score is. It's about all us terrace team managers looking several heats ahead in case changes are necessary and the real team manager balls it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 As a newbie to speedway i wasnt at all disturbed by the scribbling in the programs i even had a go myself and by the second half i even helped shazzybird with her program as she cocked it up slightly and shes been going to speedway for years :!: Â Has anybody ever filled out a whole programme without making at least one mistake :?: I haven't. Â Â Hi LW Â I have a sneaking suspicion that your lovely daughter is faultless in the stats area. (Never seen Mr Smoothie make a mistake, either well not on a programme anyway :clown ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Your right there Addy, she even knows which riders are in which heat without looking in the programme! I guess I should talk less and concentrate more, but I go to Speedway for fun, can't be doing with all this serious anorak stuff. Â As for Mr Smoothie he's a man what d'ya expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I'm impressed! I can't remember who's in what heat after Ht 4 other than Ht 13. Always shouting out the wrong names until they go past to line up and hope no-one hears me! Â I'm like you LW, just go to watch the racing, have a beer and have a natter (bit like the GP Qualifier really ) - leave the programme filling to the other half. Makes me laugh - he's insistent on getting the times for the heats, but the scorecard just gets dumped in a drawer never to be seen again when we get home. Must be a man thing! :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 .....And I'm vegetarian. ... Â Nice to know there is more than one vegetarian on the list Gem. I have been a veggie for two thirds of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 OK, I must be an anorak then...I always fill in my programme, to me it is part of going to speedway, plus on the odd times I haven't filled it in, I have lost track of what is going on. Even sadder is the fact I use the Grand Prix programme in the speedway star at home when it is showing on Sky. I must be a very sad person indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 You misunderstand me sue (don't worry most people do ). I always fill in a programme, including the GP at home, mostly incorrectly! The anorak bit was relating to the statistics side of things like riders averages, heat times and the other mundane,serious stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 I wasn't having a go....and yes, I fill in the times,points and all the changes and sometimes I do feel a bit sad but to me that is part of speedway, to make matters worse, I also have to fill in my sons programme....he can't be bothered. This was all said with tongue firmly in cheek, I just haven't worked out how to do the smilies yet. so just imagine a big smile smilie here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Nice to know there is more than one vegetarian on the list Gem. I have been a veggie for two thirds of my life. Two out of 1559 is not very good though. Perhaps we will have to spread the word. .. Anyway at least Porkyfenman is better than PorkyPrimeCut as I now have nice visions of a rather overweight gentleman instead of a pig going round on a spit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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