Baille Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I don't know if it would be possible but it would make the KO cup more interesting. How about running it the same way as the FA cup where ALL leagues compete. It could be that round one is a random drawing for the conference league teams, then winners move to round two when the premier league teams are brought in and then finally the elite league teams join in the third round. This would be done on a simple draw with only one leg per round. It gives a cnahce of conference teams to work their way through if lucky enough. Also gives lower league riders the chance to go up against top riders and show what they can do. As I said not sure if it would work but it has possibilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenCook Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I don't know if it would be possible but it would make the KO cup more interesting. How about running it the same way as the FA cup where ALL leagues compete. It could be that round one is a random drawing for the conference league teams, then winners move to round two when the premier league teams are brought in and then finally the elite league teams join in the third round. This would be done on a simple draw with only one leg per round. It gives a cnahce of conference teams to work their way through if lucky enough. Also gives lower league riders the chance to go up against top riders and show what they can do. As I said not sure if it would work but it has possibilities <{POST_SNAPBACK}> with the higher league team always away...................until the Swindon -v-Coventry final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 How about: All teams in from the start. No EL riders over a 7.5 average. EL Riders over a 7.5 average replaced by CL grade 1/2's If 2 teams from different leagues: one leg at lower league teams track. If 2 teams from same league: one leg at each track Final to be raced at a neutral Venue not in the league of either final competitiors and in between the two tracks geographically. would have flaws but that could be a good basis of such competition and if planned in more detail it could come to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
father jack Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Its a good idea in theory. but Sittingbourne v Poole as a possibilty is a non starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Why not? Would be a great draw for any conference league team even if they were going to get beaten, the money coming in from the amount of fans who would go to watch would help the clubs no end, plus fans would get a chance to visit a track they would otherwise not go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
father jack Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Why not? Would be a great draw for any conference league team even if they were going to get beaten, the money coming in from the amount of fans who would go to watch would help the clubs no end, plus fans would get a chance to visit a track they would otherwise not go to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But would it do them any good to be whitewashed at home ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 But because of the money the fixture would generate it wouldnt matter as it would help with financial stability still like i say it would need more in depth planning but there must be a way of doing it and making it fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baille Posted November 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Its a good idea in theory. but Sittingbourne v Poole as a possibilty is a non starter. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a possibility but very unlikely. The conference teams would be halved in round one and then they would have to face premier league teams in the next round. If Sittingbourne got through that one to face ANY elite league team I reckon almost all of the fans would go to whatever meeting they had next just to see if they can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Shrimper Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 This is a great idea in theory...essentially an FA cup of Speedway. This sport could do worse than follow some of the sporting format adopted by football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) its all been done before in different guises and didnt work then and theres no reason it would work now even the best CL side wouldnt stand a chance at home against the worst PL side in the past there were a few surprises but they were very few and far between and back then there wasnt as much of a gap between the leagues when at least the second division clubs had three genuine heat leaders nowadays some are lucky to have two and the main reason the ILKOC,british cup,BSPA cup were all scrapped was because the top leagues fans just werent interested and they voted with their feet and it was costing the promotions money Edited November 27, 2007 by mervjankefanclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Well it certainly worked in the old days with the National Trophy. Mind you there wasn't all guest riders and double up and down and joker points then. Quite how it would work when some riders ride in both divisions is a problem. (But then I suppose another guest rider would be used) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 This could possibly be solved by riders who double up ride for their lower division team and their spots in the higher division team go to riders who have been frozen out in the winter, thus giving frozen out riders a chance to still have some competitive racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 its all been done before in different guises and didnt work then and theres no reason it would work now even the best CL side wouldnt stand a chance at home against the worst PL side in the past there were a few surprises but they were very few and far between and back then there wasnt as much of a gap between the leagues when at least the second division clubs had three genuine heat leaders nowadays some are lucky to have two and the main reason the ILKOC,british cup,BSPA cup were all scrapped was because the top leagues fans just werent interested and they voted with their feet and it was costing the promotions money <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quite right. At its best it was a 1-leg contest with the weaker side at home, and just occasionally there were upsets. Also true that the stronger clubs had everything to lose (in terms of reputation and pride) and not a lot to gain - but then, the same is true in the FA Cup 3rd round, and fans love that. Any reason why this event should not capture the imagination? After all, we still go to watch meaningless challenge matches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Quite right. At its best it was a 1-leg contest with the weaker side at home, and just occasionally there were upsets. Also true that the stronger clubs had everything to lose (in terms of reputation and pride) and not a lot to gain - but then, the same is true in the FA Cup 3rd round, and fans love that. Any reason why this event should not capture the imagination? After all, we still go to watch meaningless challenge matches... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When Martin Rogers was in charge at Leicester I was invited to go with the team to Oxford who were then in a lower league similar in strength to today's BPL. Most of the Lions riders couldn't get to grips with the circuit and it came down to the final heat in which Oxford had 2 riders quite capable of beating both Leicester riders who had generally not scored well all night. Everybody, including anyone with Leicester connections were resigned to the embarressment to follow but low and behold Andrez Huscza who had been five one'd in each of his 3 previous rides stormed away from the gate and somehow did enough to win the race and draw the match and a replay was necessary. All in all though for the Oxford fans it was a great night out so I fully support such a competition if the lower league team is always at home in a one leg match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 wuld be a good competition even if it had to be that only the top 2 divisions were involved it would still create a lot of revenue and would be a great spectacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 its a brilliant idea. thought about it many times myself. if elite teams think there to good to go to places like sittingbourne and weymouth etc thats there tough luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Also true that the stronger clubs had everything to lose (in terms of reputation and pride) and not a lot to gain - but then, the same is true in the FA Cup 3rd round, and fans love that. Unfortunately, differences in ability are hugely magnified in speedway compared with football. The nature of football also makes shocks much more likely compared with many other sports, which makes for an interesting inter-league competition. An inter-league speedway competition is not really compable to Blue Square Premier side playing an FA Premiership side, because even the BSP still represents quite a high-level of football. A BCL side taking on Coventry would be more comparable to a local park side taking on Chelsea, which would be an horrendous mis-match. The main issue in speedway though, would be the costs of staging such a competition where the home team pays the points money and travel expenses of the away team. Maybe it would be possible to stage some sort of competition between the BEL and BPL, but then I'd make the Fours into an interleague competition as a) it would probably make it easier for the BPL teams to compete, and even if there were mismatches, there would still be some competition between the (probably) 3 BPL sides in each meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 they could do so that each team pay their own points money. but each side take half of the profits from the meeting as with the fa cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richspeedway Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 sounds like a good idea. Problem is the fixture list is pretty much crowded as it is, so maybe they could stop the challenge meetings at the start. The first round could be run during the world cup as the teams taking part could be conference and premier league sides as they would be less effected by the international riders in that. Then the Elite teams go into the hat in the second or third round. Would be interesting and they could make it that the lower league side are at home. Sky might be interested in the idea and put some of the meetings on tele. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 they could do so that each team pay their own points money. but each side take half of the profits from the meeting as with the fa cup And the profits from the average BCL track would be how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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