Big Meeting At Poole

[shazzybird]

I really don't see what the problem here is, you all paid money to go and watch speedway the £60K prize money had nothing really to do with anyone it was an added incentive for one of the participants to go out and win, if it had been a raffle prize then split between everyone I could understand fans getting upset, obviously it had been billed as a prize but that didn't stop anyone enjoying the meeting and the riders battling it out for a place in the final, personally I'm a greedy cow and I would of said sod it I wont it I'm having it, the way I see this is ... 4 riders went out and they put a race on the best man won yet they all came away with a bloody good pay day, I'd say it's sportsmanship or am I reading it all wrong here ........... hmmmmmmm knowing me probably

[iris123]

I'd say it's sportsmanship or am I reading it all wrong here ........... hmmmmmmm knowing me probably

Er....,for the sake of keeping to my new years resolution i am saying nowt

[Pirate Nick]

All that advertising and hype about a winner take all final.

 

If they were gonna do it they should have kept it quiet and dealt with it among themselves. What will happen with the final GP now will the four riders be tempted to share that pot?

 

Kind of pees in the pot of not only the promoters but also the riders themselves cos no one will believe it again will they? So the punters are unlikely to roll up in their droves again and the riders could find that that is the end of speedway prize money attempting to go down the snooker route.

 

What would have happened if one bloke had said no if I win it's mine, if two or more of the other three decided to split you could have ended up with a farcical situation of pseudo team riding - 3 against 1!

 

I also agree that it will probably do speedway / bookie relationship no good.

 

Thinking about it now to outsiders it's making speedway look like WWF wrestling.

 

Brian Gay

 

 

What makes you think they dont already split the winnings? They just have the good sense not to plaster the fact all over their websites!

[Sandie]

with no disrepect to anyone i think its time this subject is put to bed its over its done with end of if nikki p wants to split the money its up to him belive me if you saw the racing yesterday it was like they were taking a cut i think the word is prosesional

 

Wasnt there so not able to comment on the final so what I will do is ask this question -

 

IF these 4 riders had an agreement BEFORE the final, does that bring into question any pay out from any betting on this final heat or in fact the event.

 

 

 

Edit - Sorry Odd, I dint pick on your quote on purpose - its just the one I clicked on, so nothing personal

Edited March 10, 2008 by Sandie

[rabbit]

But Sandie - all they did was agree they'd split the money equally irrespective of who won. At no stage has anyone said they decided the finishing order prior to racing and watching the race again, it looked fair to me. That sort of arrangement would be a whole different matter and i could see perhaps an issue if that was made public.

[Sandie]

But Sandie - all they did was agree they'd split the money equally irrespective of who won. At no stage has anyone said they decided the finishing order prior to racing and watching the race again, it looked fair to me. That sort of arrangement would be a whole different matter and i could see perhaps an issue if that was made public.

As I say Rabbit I wasnt there so I dont know if all 4 raced to the line.

 

If you can assure me (and your word is always good enough for me) that none of them sat back and thought -

"oh well I have my share I wont try and take him on the third bend, fourth lap" then good. If it was out and out racing I have no problem.

 

Lets hope Sky bet can see it that way as well.

 

 

[Subedei]

I really don't see what the problem here is, you all paid money to go and watch speedway the £60K prize money had nothing really to do with anyone it was an added incentive for one of the participants to go out and win.

 

Sorry, but the whole meeting was sold to the public on that richest prize in speedway - the richest minute in motorsport. The £60,000 was as much to attract punters as to attract riders. It was as much an incentive for fans to part with their hard-earned, as it was for the riders to race for. If I were Matt Ford I'd be furious.

Edited March 10, 2008 by Subedei

[190557]

Wasnt there so not able to comment on the final so what I will do is ask this question -

 

IF these 4 riders had an agreement BEFORE the final, does that bring into question any pay out from any betting on this final heat or in fact the event.

 

 

 

Edit - Sorry Odd, I dint pick on your quote on purpose - its just the one I clicked on, so nothing personal

 

The fact that an agreement was made before the race started must throw the validity of the race into question. Who knows whether all riders were making a bona fide effort to race. Where was the incentive for the fourth placed man to race, he knew he was getting the same prize money as the first placed man.

 

I don't know if it was possible to place a bet on this individual race but if I had done so, and had bet on the fourth placed man for instance, I would be taking it up with my bookmaker in an attempt to get my money back.

[Subedei]

I don't know if it was possible to place a bet on this individual race but if I had done so, and had bet on the fourth placed man for instance, I would be taking it up with my bookmaker in an attempt to get my money back.

 

And the bookmakers would find some way out of it, possibly by calling in Plod and we'd have speedway on the front pages.

Think it wouldn't happen? Think Simon Wigg.

Edited March 10, 2008 by Subedei

[190557]

Sorry, but the whole meeting was sold to the public on that richest prize in speedway - the richest minute in motorsport. The £60,000 was as much to attract punters as to attract riders. It was as much an incentive for fans to part with their hard-earned, as it was for the riders to race for. If I were Matt Ford I'd be furious.

 

 

Furious? Who will ever believe a speedway promotor again. Matt Ford told the paying public that £60k would go to the winner of the meeting - he apparantly did not tell this to the riders. At the very least the money should be withheld from the riders and given to charity. It should be made very clear to riders that deception and cheating the paying public will not be tollerated.

 

Personally I believe that all four riders should be subject to a 12 month ban in the UK!

 

And the bookmakers would find some way out of it, possibly by calling in Plod and we'd have speedway on the front pages.

Think it wouldn't happen? Think Simon Wigg.

And don't you think it deserves to be on the front pages when this is allowed to happen?

[pedropete]

The fact that an agreement was made before the race started must throw the validity of the race into question. Who knows whether all riders were making a bona fide effort to race. Where was the incentive for the fourth placed man to race, he knew he was getting the same prize money as the first placed man.

 

I don't know if it was possible to place a bet on this individual race but if I had done so, and had bet on the fourth placed man for instance, I would be taking it up with my bookmaker in an attempt to get my money back.

 

Of course they raced for the honour and pride and their sponsors. Do you really think riders can race any harder just for the money involved, I really dont think so. Dont think any of them in that final really desperately needed that money.

[cgcoombes]

Didn't see any dust coming up. Track did dry out but was watered regularly. No billowing clouds of the stuff.

 

 

If the track being watered regularly equates too twice, once before the meeting, and once after heat 12, then i guess it must be regular, but certainly doesnt equate to regular in my book. stood on the first bend, and got covered in shale. We were crying out for the track for to be watered, and cheered when the finally decided to put some water on it, which dried out very quick, and found ourselves being covered again after heat 13.

 

From where i was i did count 9 passes in the first 8 races, all be it, mainly coming out of the first and second bend on the first lap. Riders who went wide often lost ground on a slick track with most riders finding in very difficult to overtake after the first bend. Read a comment that only one race failed to register sub 60 seconds race time. i wud much rather it be the other way round, with 20 races 60+ and more racing, rather than the gate and go produced for most of yesterday. Best race of the evening was heat 18 with scott, hans and aj battling for first.

 

Crowd wasn't as big as expected, despite the long queue's assembling at 12.30ish. probably at a rough guess 3000 - 3500.

 

Throught the presentation of the event was very poor. To let fans in at 1pm, and be no entertainment until roughly 2.15pm, was disapointing. Didn't think much to the cheerleaders, as an only pre-meeting entertainment. i'm sure matt ford could have stretched to a local band to put a 45/60 min set together. It could of got the crowd going. Thought the build up was poor, and failed to create an electric atmosphere. Could have had an interval attraction also. Speaking to the ex-poole riders was ok, but dragged a little, and could have been better presented. Was however nice to see ceigelski in attendance. The build up to the final was poor, and failed to get the crowd going. Presentation to nicki was poor, what about the fans wanting to appreciate the efforts of both aj and scotty who deservedly made the rostrum (sorry what rostrum???) then to finish tractors came on to take the dirt of the track with presentations to nicki still going on. Then for nicki to go round the track for a final time, stood in the boot of a local poole cab was shocking presentation. Fireworks where pathetic also.

 

On the plus side thought dave lanning did ok in trying to get the fans going, but think he got a bout of illness from tony millard in the final when he commented that leigh adams had come through to second. Adams was actually at the back, and it was aj coming past scott.

 

At least the weather stayed off, and we got some speedway which in parts had a couple of good races. After getting soaked in poole on the saturday night, it appeared the meeting wudn't have even been on.

[topaz325]

Come on guys keep up the banter and we might just beat the Kings Lynn topic in the PL section, 100+ pages and counting.

 

Of course they raced for the honour and pride and their sponsors. Do you really think riders can race any harder just for the money involved, I really dont think so. Dont think any of them in that final really desperately needed that money.

 

 

 

Money..................Pink Floyd

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE

[BigFatDave]

 

Oh yeah, but still would that add up to 7500? Can't remember the crowd there tbh.

I did go to the bar a few times; that might have made it look bigger.

 

I knew it...

 

Still 7100 odd is huge.

 

I'm on a diet for me next visit, Bazza!

 

How good is Holder this season, eh? You've got a Beauty there!

[colincooke]

If the track being watered regularly equates too twice, once before the meeting, and once after heat 12, then i guess it must be regular, but certainly doesnt equate to regular in my book. stood on the first bend, and got covered in shale. We were crying out for the track for to be watered, and cheered when the finally decided to put some water on it, which dried out very quick, and found ourselves being covered again after heat 13.

 

From where i was i did count 9 passes in the first 8 races, all be it, mainly coming out of the first and second bend on the first lap. Riders who went wide often lost ground on a slick track with most riders finding in very difficult to overtake after the first bend. Read a comment that only one race failed to register sub 60 seconds race time. i wud much rather it be the other way round, with 20 races 60+ and more racing, rather than the gate and go produced for most of yesterday. Best race of the evening was heat 18 with scott, hans and aj battling for first.

 

Crowd wasn't as big as expected, despite the long queue's assembling at 12.30ish. probably at a rough guess 3000 - 3500.

Cheers Chris for confirming all that yourself & A have told me.In you i trust.

[orion]

Of course they raced for the honour and pride and their sponsors. Do you really think riders can race any harder just for the money involved, I really dont think so. Dont think any of them in that final really desperately needed that money.

 

 

they ride for love of it .

 

It they don't ride or care for the money no need to do a deal in the first place .

 

[binthere]

Sub.

Doesn't BobC say as much in his post?

 

Well,you all know Im not a fan of Nicki Pedersen.

 

However,he was a deserved winner today.He showed exactly why he is World Champion.He was in a different class.Won it fair and square.One of the first times Ive actually enjoyed watching him race.Congratulations to him.

 

SCB...you say cheats never prosper,and ask where was Bjarne? Why dont you ask the same about Crump? He was the villian of the moment.He touched the tapes and got penalised 15 metres.In the rerun,he VERY CLEARLY moved long before Bjarne touched the tapes,and he was penalised 15 metres.Crump should have been kicked out for cheating,not moved back to 25 metres.Bjarne was moving,I know that,but he only touched the tapes because of Crump moving a second time.That bizarre moment spoilt a very enjoyable meeting.

 

The Russian Emil Sajfutdinov was a pleasure to watch,never far off the pace,while Chris Harris was a big disappointment.

 

Good meeting to open the season with,Holder already looking very impressive indeed.

 

[frigbo]

they ride for love of it .

 

It they don't ride or care for the money no need to do a deal in the first place .

 

 

And for our entertainment of course!

[lucifer sam]

Of course they raced for the honour and pride and their sponsors. Do you really think riders can race any harder just for the money involved, I really dont think so. Dont think any of them in that final really desperately needed that money.

 

Well, you've just solved all the Elite League's problems. We'll just get all the riders to ride for nothing.

 

I think money might be quite important to riders, somehow.

 

All the best

Rob

 

[Postie Pirate]

If the track being watered regularly equates too twice, once before the meeting, and once after heat 12, then i guess it must be regular, but certainly doesnt equate to regular in my book. stood on the first bend, and got covered in shale. We were crying out for the track for to be watered, and cheered when the finally decided to put some water on it, which dried out very quick, and found ourselves being covered again after heat 13.

 

From where i was i did count 9 passes in the first 8 races, all be it, mainly coming out of the first and second bend on the first lap. Riders who went wide often lost ground on a slick track with most riders finding in very difficult to overtake after the first bend. Read a comment that only one race failed to register sub 60 seconds race time. i wud much rather it be the other way round, with 20 races 60+ and more racing, rather than the gate and go produced for most of yesterday. Best race of the evening was heat 18 with scott, hans and aj battling for first.

 

Crowd wasn't as big as expected, despite the long queue's assembling at 12.30ish. probably at a rough guess 3000 - 3500.

 

Throught the presentation of the event was very poor. To let fans in at 1pm, and be no entertainment until roughly 2.15pm, was disapointing. Didn't think much to the cheerleaders, as an only pre-meeting entertainment. i'm sure matt ford could have stretched to a local band to put a 45/60 min set together. It could of got the crowd going. Thought the build up was poor, and failed to create an electric atmosphere. Could have had an interval attraction also. Speaking to the ex-poole riders was ok, but dragged a little, and could have been better presented. Was however nice to see ceigelski in attendance. The build up to the final was poor, and failed to get the crowd going. Presentation to nicki was poor, what about the fans wanting to appreciate the efforts of both aj and scotty who deservedly made the rostrum (sorry what rostrum???) then to finish tractors came on to take the dirt of the track with presentations to nicki still going on. Then for nicki to go round the track for a final time, stood in the boot of a local poole cab was shocking presentation. Fireworks where pathetic also.

 

On the plus side thought dave lanning did ok in trying to get the fans going, but think he got a bout of illness from tony millard in the final when he commented that leigh adams had come through to second. Adams was actually at the back, and it was aj coming past scott.

 

At least the weather stayed off, and we got some speedway which in parts had a couple of good races. After getting soaked in poole on the saturday night, it appeared the meeting wudn't have even been on.

Other than that you loved it then...