arnieg Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Last winter there was much debate about the impact of the Russian League's increased use of (and payments to) foreign riders. So what actually happened? Well in 42 league matches 23 foreigners appeared. But 16 of these were Poles and only six rode more than three times. Only Darius Sledz (8 - Vostock) and Pawel Miesac (7 - Rovno) rode in more than half of their team's 12 fixtures. Next came: Peter Karlsson 5 (SK Turbina) Greg Walasek 5 (SK Turbina) Kjaustas Puodzjoks 4 (Rov) Piotr Protasiewicz 4 (SK Turbina) The other non-Poles to ride were: Sullivan (3 for SK), Hancock (Mega-Lada), Richardson (SK), Ferjan (Rov) all 2 and Nikki Pedersen 1 for Mega-Lada Rovno - 5 riders making 18 appearances, and SK Turbina - 5 riders making 17 appearances used most foreigners Salavat used none at all (and came bottom) while Luk-Oil and Mega-Lada used three riders who made just six appearances between them. Mega-Lada won the league on the basis of their indigenous riders (they regularly tracked six Russian born riders who averaged over 8), they only bought in big name foreigners for crunch matches. SK Turbina came second, and clearly they did buy in foreign strength In recent years the Russian League has been a two horse race between Mega Lada Togliatti and Luk-oil Oktobriasky, but it looks as if Luk oil couldn't (or wouldn't?) compete when it came to attracting foreigners - presumably a money issue. So what happens next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Very good point's, but the people who complain about this the most will never leave the "Elite"-thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 There's a lot of hype about the Russian league, not least from riders who seem to see it as "leverage" over the existing leagues, Bjarne Pedersen being the latest example supposedly. It remains to be seen whether they find the grass quite so green as they imagine in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Last winter there was much debate about the impact of the Russian League's increased use of (and payments to) foreign riders. So what actually happened? . Mega-Lada won the league on the basis of their indigenous riders (they regularly tracked six Russian born riders who averaged over 8), they only bought in big name foreigners for crunch matches. SK Turbina came second, and clearly they did buy in foreign strength In recent years the Russian League has been a two horse race between Mega Lada Togliatti and Luk-oil Oktobriasky, but it looks as if Luk oil couldn't (or wouldn't?) compete when it came to attracting foreigners - presumably a money issue. So what happens next? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is what i said last winter.And i think one or two others said the same.Don't believe the hype was really what a few of us were saying.If there are only a couple of teams with big money,why would they need to employ the top riders for every meeting?They wouldn't,because they can beat the poorer teams with their home stars.The only way it would make sense to use Nicki or Hancock for every meeting is if media interest or big crowds were going to be paying out enough to cover it. Very good point's, but the people who complain about this the most will never leave the "Elite"-thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is so true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 So did Ryan make his 50k then? If he did, fair play to him, 50k for 15 minutes work is quite impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Thank you very much arnieg for putting this together. Very useful post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niclas Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Last winter there was much debate about the impact of the Russian League's increased use of (and payments to) foreign riders. So what actually happened? Well in 42 league matches 23 foreigners appeared. But 16 of these were Poles and only six rode more than three times. Only Darius Sledz (8 - Vostock) and Pawel Miesac (7 - Rovno) rode in more than half of their team's 12 fixtures. Next came: Peter Karlsson 5 (SK Turbina) Greg Walasek 5 (SK Turbina) Kjaustas Puodzjoks 4 (Rov) Piotr Protasiewicz 4 (SK Turbina) The other non-Poles to ride were: Sullivan (3 for SK), Hancock (Mega-Lada), Richardson (SK), Ferjan (Rov) all 2 and Nikki Pedersen 1 for Mega-Lada Rovno - 5 riders making 18 appearances, and SK Turbina - 5 riders making 17 appearances used most foreigners Salavat used none at all (and came bottom) while Luk-Oil and Mega-Lada used three riders who made just six appearances between them. Mega-Lada won the league on the basis of their indigenous riders (they regularly tracked six Russian born riders who averaged over 8), they only bought in big name foreigners for crunch matches. SK Turbina came second, and clearly they did buy in foreign strength In recent years the Russian League has been a two horse race between Mega Lada Togliatti and Luk-oil Oktobriasky, but it looks as if Luk oil couldn't (or wouldn't?) compete when it came to attracting foreigners - presumably a money issue. So what happens next? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Arnieg: I hope you dont mind but I copied you post and published it in MasarnaAvestas guestbook (probably the place where most of the speedwaydebates in Sweden are located www.masarnaavesta.nu/gastbok.cgi ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklos Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Change of rules of the Russian league on 2008. in one race, for one command, an only one foreigner is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklos Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 In recent years the Russian League has been a two horse race between Mega Lada Togliatti and Luk-oil Oktobriasky, but it looks as if Luk oil couldn't (or wouldn't?) compete when it came to attracting foreigners - presumably a money issue. So what happens next? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LUK in 2007 small budget. In 2008 will not be less. Can be more. Vostock in 2008 budget will be less. Salavat in 2008 promises the big budget. 2008 SK Turbina and Mega-Lada the big budgets. 2008 STMK Turbina and Rovno–???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 That's the end of all the big pay days and the "beginning of the end" for British speedway!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Change of rules of the Russian league on 2008. in one race, for one command, an only one foreigner is possible.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Niklos, does it mean that only one foreign rider can be in a team ? And do you mean a foreign rider can only ride in one race in a match? I don't quite understand...sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Think he is saying only one foreign rider per team,per meeting.Command is the translation you end up with from the Russian "team" when i have used online translation stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Think he is saying only one foreign rider per team,per meeting.Command is the translation you end up with from the Russian "team" when i have used online translation stuff <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 'Command' is actually the Russian word for team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 'Command' is actually the Russian word for team <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you for the explanation, iris and arnieg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Can someone please tell us more about the Russian Leagues? How many teams are there? Do they all ride regularly, say once a week? Once a month? Once every 2 weeks? When does the season start.....and end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 7 teams competed in the league this year. Those were Togliatti, Oktyabrsky, Vladivostok, Balakovo, Salavat, Rivne and (another) Balakovo. Each team races the others once home and once away, so 6 home matches each during the course of the league season. This season the first match took place on 19th of April, between Rivne and Oktyabrsky, and the final match took place on 10th of October between Rivne and Togliatti. The suggestion that there will be a foreign rider limit is rather interesting. I wonder what they will be classing as foreign? Will Rivne only be allowed to use one non Ukrainian rider? You have to think that they would be fairly screwed if that is the case, given the number of decent Ukrainians around at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 7 teams competed in the league this year. Those were Togliatti, Oktyabrsky, Vladivostok, Balakovo, Salavat, Rivne and (another) Balakovo. Each team races the others once home and once away, so 6 home matches each during the course of the league season. This season the first match took place on 19th of April, between Rivne and Oktyabrsky, and the final match took place on 10th of October between Rivne and Togliatti. The suggestion that there will be a foreign rider limit is rather interesting. I wonder what they will be classing as foreign? Will Rivne only be allowed to use one non Ukrainian rider? You have to think that they would be fairly screwed if that is the case, given the number of decent Ukrainians around at the moment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for your informed reply!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 7 teams competed in the league this year. Those were Togliatti, Oktyabrsky, Vladivostok, Balakovo, Salavat, Rivne and (another) Balakovo. Each team races the others once home and once away, so 6 home matches each during the course of the league season. This season the first match took place on 19th of April, between Rivne and Oktyabrsky, and the final match took place on 10th of October between Rivne and Togliatti. The suggestion that there will be a foreign rider limit is rather interesting. I wonder what they will be classing as foreign? Will Rivne only be allowed to use one non Ukrainian rider? You have to think that they would be fairly screwed if that is the case, given the number of decent Ukrainians around at the moment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I suspect that Ukranians and Russians would not be regarded as foreigners irrespective of who they rode for. Other relevant bit of info on Russian League is that their matches are on Thursdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I suspect that Ukranians and Russians would not be regarded as foreigners irrespective of who they rode for. Other relevant bit of info on Russian League is that their matches are on Thursdays. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think you are right on the first point. But only mostly thursday,not exclusively.Same as the Danish League is mainly wednesday,but other days are also used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklos Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 A new stadium is in Togliatti foto - http://www.speedway.si/index.php?option=co...=1224&Itemid=62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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