Grachan Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Does anyone know the 13 heat race formula for the sixties. Looking through old Speedway Stars it looks different to how it was in the seventies. Yes, I know I could probably work it out for myself by going through the heats but I tried that and got all confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Does anyone know the 13 heat race formula for the sixties. Looking through old Speedway Stars it looks different to how it was in the seventies. Yes, I know I could probably work it out for myself by going through the heats but I tried that and got all confused. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the difference was in the use of the reserve riders - and were teams a different number of riders? http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 It's 13 heats, 7 per team. Possibly no 6 having 4 rides and number 7 having 2 rides? Can't be sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 From a Dons v King's Lynn BL 1966 meeting 1+2 v 1+2 3+4 v 3+4 5+6 v 5+6 2+7 v 2+7 5+6 v 3+4 3+4 v 1+2 1+2 v 5+6 4+7 v 4+7 5+6 v 1+2 3+4 v 5+6 1+2 v 3+4 3+6 v 1+5 1+5 v 3+6 hopefully correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerbrandcoffee Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 In Red/Blue/White/Yellow & Black format: Ht 01: 1 2 1 2 Ht 02: 3 4 3 4 Ht 03: 5 6 5 6 Ht 04: 2 7 2 7 Ht 05: 5 6 3 4 Ht 06: 3 4 1 2 Ht 07: 1 2 5 6 Ht 08: 4 7 4 7 Ht 09: 5 6 1 2 Ht 10: 3 4 5 6 Ht 11: 1 2 3 4 Ht 12: 3 6 1 2 Ht 13: 1 5 3 6 The more familiar 13 heat format came into action in 1969. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Well, you both put the same thing so I reckon you must be right! I nearly had it. Got the home team right, but had heats 12 and 13 down as 3/5 and 3/4 but knew it couldn't be right! So number 7 did only have 2 rides then. That confused me a bit too. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I still think that was the best ever formula -it was in the PL in 1964 and the BL started in 1965 and adopted it rather than the old NL 14 heat formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 (edited) I still think that was the best ever formula -it was in the PL in 1964 and the BL started in 1965 and adopted it rather than the old NL 14 heat formula. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The best ever formula was six rider teams with two reserves over 14 heats. Team men four races, reserves two races. No T/s or whatever. When a team rider was injured or out with ef, the reserves got extra rides up to a maxim of four. Teams were consistent season on season. Riders leaving a club was big news. Some teams far stronger and stayed that way year on year. But this was years before the era this thread is all about. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Edited October 28, 2007 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 In the early 60s it was a 15 heats 8 riders formula with a nominated riders' heat for heat 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 I think the 13-heat format was slightly tinkered with around 1968, staying the same after that until its sad demise in 1987. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 So, were 6 & 7 still reserves or was it just no 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Six and sevens were both reserves and had three programmed rides each. One to five had four. Ht 1 - 1,2,1,2 Ht 2 - 6,7,6,7 Ht 3 - 5,4,5,4 Ht 4 - 3,6,3,7 Ht 5 - 5,4,1,2 Ht 6 - 1,2,3,6 Ht 7 - 3,6,5,4 Ht 8 - 2,7,2,7 Ht 9 - 5,4,3,6 Ht 10 - 1,2,5,4 Ht 11 - 3,7,1,2 Ht 12 - 1,4,3,5 Ht 13 - 3,5,1,4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 That's the seventies one, Moxey. I used to be able to recite that off by heart like the Lord's Prayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Maddest year had to be 1959 when the race format changed mid-way thru the season fronm 18 heats to 15! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Does anyone know the 13 heat race formula for the sixties. Looking through old Speedway Stars it looks different to how it was in the seventies. Have a look at http://www.meynell.com/meeting-formats/ Various historical formats are listed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Couple of examples here from the early 60's. The grey squares are the scheduled rides. First the 1960 Provincial League, 12 heats, 6-man teams, plus a reserve with no scheduled rides. I think Bradford's score here may be the lowest ever recorded in a league match. See http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/space5/174.htm Then a 1961 Provincial League match, now a 13-heat, 7-rider formula. In heat 12, joining the number 5 rider, was either the no.7 (reserve) or no.6 (supplementary reserve). See http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/space5/207.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 That's the seventies one, Moxey. I used to be able to recite that off by heart like the Lord's Prayer. Same here - I typed that format down from memory. The best format ever. Incidentally, I still believe it was a format introduced in the late sixties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindas Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 It's all about the numbers with you boys, isn't it? You're scaring me now. I'm off to find a thread about Lee Richardson's nice bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 I've just come across an interesting formula in use in 1950 for the Spring Cup. It was 10 riders per side in a 20 heat match. I think I might suggest that to Terry Russell for next year's Elite League. That should keep the costs down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 While you are about it Norbold tell him to bring back the 10-a-side National Trophy as well as 18 heat Test Matches. Someone might get a bit hot under the collar then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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