BOBBATH Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Yes Iris123 it is the guy you got the autograph from all those years ago-the only time I ever had a chat with him was in 1967 in the Station Hotel pub-think I've got the name right-next to Long Eaton stadium. The meeting v. Sheffield was delayed due to a thunderstorm, started about 8:30.Our friend had been injured and was in there having a beer with some buddies,always struck me as a real gentleman who was a great team man and had a deserved illustrious career.RIP . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Does it really matter if someone is gay it's up to them isn't it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It isnt up to them - but I think I know what you mean . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Bobbin' along, I agree and did not start this thread facetiously-I seriously wondered whether discussing it could have added some background to the sixties e.g. one person helping out another because of their shared experience, one rider mentoring another etc etc. I was thinking particularly of one older rider who helped develop a future World Finalist as a young person and that got me thinking. By the way most people have figured out the un named rider from Sheffield I suspect, he always looked glum in team photos -never smiled poor guy and I wondered if he had been picked on for his orientation <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry Bob I realised afterwards that looked like I was attacking your post! I was referring to those people who choose to make a serious, well meant topic into a shopfront for smutty innuendo. As for the Sheffield rider - I have no idea who he was, and coming to the sport in 1983 am not likely to know him. But my sentiments stand the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Sorry Bob I realised afterwards that looked like I was attacking your post! I was referring to those people who choose to make a serious, well meant topic into a shopfront for smutty innuendo. As for the Sheffield rider - I have no idea who he was, and coming to the sport in 1983 am not likely to know him. But my sentiments stand the same. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Isn't this around the time the rider in question sadly died? http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Isn't this around the time the rider in question sadly died? http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No idea. My first match was 19 September 1983. I remember being told about the sad death of Martin Hewlett the year before, but after that I seem to remember the first death I heard of was Lief Whallman (Sp?) and that was a track accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 (edited) No idea. My first match was 19 September 1983. I remember being told about the sad death of Martin Hewlett the year before, but after that I seem to remember the first death I heard of was Lief Whallman (Sp?) and that was a track accident. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Martin Hewlett died from a stroke aged 20 years. Lief Whallman in a track accident. The sad matter in this case is that the rider apparently took his own life seven years after his retirement. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Edited October 29, 2007 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 The sad matter in this case is that the rider apparently took his own life seven years after his retirement. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does some sort of code of secrecy apply to whoever it is you're all talking about, or are the rest of us allowed to know who it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 (edited) Does some sort of code of secrecy apply to whoever it is you're all talking about, or are the rest of us allowed to know who it is? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No code of secrecy. Just being careful in my investigation. Imagine the trauma if the wrong person was named. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Edited October 29, 2007 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 No code of secrecy. Just being careful in my investigation. Imagine the trauma if the wrong person was named. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does it really matter, the man has been dead for quite sometime now, and I don'tthink that does any good to bring it back up. Let the man rst in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 We have a thread wanting people to discuss something but they're failing to give any information themselves! Is anyone going to name the rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Oh for heaven's sake everyone. This is like one of those Christmas quizzes. Bob Paulson is my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 That's right Grachan it was Bob Paulson-also thanx for putting the Southampton v Norwich stuff on youtube-great to see Bannister Court again.By the way does anyone recall when Bob sadly died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 1981 or 2 i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Oh for heaven's sake everyone. This is like one of those Christmas quizzes. Bob Paulson is my guess. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was my elimination. I went through the Sheffield biographies to find a rider who died seven years after retirement. It fitted Bob Paulson. Does anyone have a transcript of his inquest? RIP. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Okay everybody happy that the mans name is out, at the time I did not know when he retired in either 74/75 I wuold only be 10 or 11, it was later that I was told he was gay, after his death. I vaguely remember that the inquest said that he had suffered for quite a few years with depression, no mention that he was having problems with his sexuallity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerblade Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Maybe circumstances were part of the depression - bear in mind it would still have been a huge stigma back then to a lot of people of Bob's (and his parents') generation. I don't really want to prolong the debate any further so I'll keep it to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Martin Hewlett died from a stroke aged 20 years. Lief Whallman in a track accident. The sad matter in this case is that the rider apparently took his own life seven years after his retirement. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/oldtimespeedway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Martin died from a brain haemorrhage - after one of the best meeting's he'd had. I was referring to Lief Whallman's racing incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATigerman Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 That's right Grachan it was Bob Paulson-also thanx for putting the Southampton v Norwich stuff on youtube-great to see Bannister Court again.By the way does anyone recall when Bob sadly died. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe Bob Paulson died in 1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusthepom Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 well well you have done it again,i have been away working and when i get back onto this forum your getting your kicks upsetting the regulars but hey i like your style mate,i dont think when i rode there were to many sam javalin boys.but bob keep up the good work after a long period of time you may win a few more mates like myself.kiss kiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBBATH Posted October 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The main point of this thread may have been that if anyone does suffer from depression these days, get help,medication has greatly advanced and depression is often due to a chemical imbalance-lack of serotonin-which can be fixed.No need to suffer-after all if you had a pain in your knee you would get it fixed so same goes for a pain in the head. No shame to that .Who knows, if the same meds had been available twenty years ago Bob might still be with us today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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