hagonshocker Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 But what about Harris' move on Scott prior to that? very ala Pedersen/Hancock with a gnats whisker to spare between his back wheel and Scott's front wheel. But guess you will get the Nicholls fans and the Harris fans on here bickering it out! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didnt knock him off though did he!!! bit of a difference...can see which one of the 2 you prefer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Star Lady I see the chip on your shoulder is still firmly in place The matching chip is still on your shoulder too. Last night i saw a terrible racing accident at Kings Lynn... Not entirely sure why that is relevant to this thread but regarding the accident you saw, read my post again. I berated the referee because in my opinion his non action last night has given carte blanche to riders in the future to dump others on the track and get away with it. Not something any of us would want and referees should be there to stop it. tonight there are people on this thread indicating that Scott Nicholls knocked Chris Harris off on purpose....You should all be ashamed of yourselves.... I said he was desperate, as would any rider be. Harris was equally desperate there was a lot at stake. Nowhere did I say what Nicholls did was deliberate but yet again you name me and lump me in with others. I am never ashamed of my honestly held opinions Unlike others i do not have rose tinted glasses and believe Scott should have been excluded but this crap That's exactly what I said about Harris outdoing him and thats why he stuffed him in the fence.....what twaddle.......worryingly a lot of it comes from the more mature posters...who really should be ashamed of themselves..... Why should anyone be ashamed of holding opinions. Personally I don't agree with the twaddle about Harris outdoing Nicholls as has been posted on here. They finished on equal points therefore they did equally well/badly As for being a bully.....Idiotic What else would you call someone who barges someone else out of the way...in any walk of life. You certainly couldn't call him a gentleman. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it as you are to yours. . jaybea <{POST_SNAPBACK}> /quote] Yet again you come on here and defend Scott Nicholls by attempting to twist what I have said simply because I don't think the sun shines out of Nicholls' rear orifice. Disagree with what I have said by all means, but don't lump me in with others who I don't agree with and have never said the same as them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Speedway is a tough sport and any rider not prepared to rough it out will normally lose out,Scotty was tough on Bomber but NOT dirty(as some on here will have us believe) and if the Ref was doing his JOB properly,he would of excluded Scotty for unfair riding(not dirty),the man therefore to blame is the Ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris26 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) yes, scott was perhaps bordering on the line of unacceptable but regardless, they will iron their differences out over time and anyway, Scott is british, along with chris so both will once more be getting my full support next season. makes me laugh how some 'so-called' British supporters appear to always turn on their own national riders when they are involved in an incident of this description. Well, how about those in this mould sod off and support some other country cause British supporters can easily do without you! Edited October 14, 2007 by chris26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 They were both racing hard, Scott took Chris early in the race, chris came back and then scott went fast into the corner thinking bomber was going to move onto the middle line. Scott basically made a mistake nothing malicious at all and its the ref's fault as he is there to look at it (or not as per last night) to then make a decision. The ref let Bomber down and not scotty and Bomber will understand that, i know some people on here think scotty would have knocked bomber off on purpose to make sure he qualified but i afraid your wrong and thankfully Bomber knows that as well and was angry at the ref. There will be no problem when they ride for Coventry this week. Wolfy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Scott Nicholls = the poor mans Hans Andersen I agree, the ref let Bomber down, but he will be there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo_1515 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Your telling me that in that situation, any rider wouldn't have gone for that gap? Nicki, Hans etc. Bomber would have done it himself if it was the other way round. The move wasn't malicious in anyway, just hard racing. They are not team mates in the GP so that has nothing to do with it. Well done Scott for qualifying, and now Bomber will get a wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Couldn't have said it better myself Jo. Scotty just rode hard and considering what was up for grabs can you blame him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiltonpanther Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Scott was certainly lucky to get away with that but the only one I blame is the ref. Every time he officiates, he makes some weird decisions and yet still gets chosen to do the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Scott Nicholls = the poor mans Hans Andersen I agree, the ref let Bomber down, but he will be there next year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please do not paint Scotty Nicholls with the brush of Hans Andersen, as i said before scotty went for a move with no malicious intent he made a mistake fair and square and the ref was wrong in not dealing with it. You cannot blame scotty for the refs bottle dropping. Wolfy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Too many posts here to quote in my reply. IMHO Nicholls did not deliberately take Bomber off. However, just like others before him, he went for a gap that was not there. I have seen others make similar moves and been excluded, and I have seen Nicholls complain bitterly when others do the same to him (strangely the name Hans Andersen is featured in some of the other incidents I have in mind!). Just hope Nicholls remembers the phrase he used one of those times - what comes around goes around.... If you look closely at the footage, Bomber was in front, although probably not by the required bike length or whatever it is that would mean it was his line. The referee made an appalling cock up in not excluding Nicholls as the cause of the stoppage, but then again he didn't appear to know the rules anyway -especially in relation to run offs. Interestingly, the result wasn't officially announced by Sky directly after the race, and no interviews were attempted with either Nicholls or Bomber. I wonder how this will affect the team spirit at Coventry now? And does it add any credence to the rumour I have heard that Nicholls will be moving back to Ipswich next season because of the travelling? Hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbin' Along Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Scott Nicholls = the poor mans Hans Andersen <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Harris should be angry with two people, neither of whom is the former British champion. He should be angry with the referee (if there actually was one) for not excluding the former British champion after shoving him off in that race-off. He should be angry with himself for the complacency that saw him throw away a secure place in the standings - all this 4-5 points nonsense cost him and cost him dearly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Totally agree with the above comments - but I also thought the Harris move was a little harsh just before. Bomber's GP form has dipped dramatically since Cardiff and he he dropped silly points for example tonight in his first ride, I cannot believe he will not get a wildcard for next season along with AJ. Finally congratulations to Scott coming through to qualify on merit after a torrid first half of the season which included a bad injury early on in the series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taitster Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Scott should have been excluded, I think most people on the thread agree with that. Was it dirty - no I don't believe so, it was hard riding but only Scott will know for sure what decision he made when Bomber went (fairly) past him, and am sure will never reveal publically. We can only guess. At worst imo a bad error of judgement/move on Scott's part. It's just aggravated more because it was a fellow Brit that was on the receiving end. Worst of all though, what was the ref up to? No idea really but my view is this bloke makes too many mistakes to be given the responsibility for a GP. The biggest mistake he made last night was not put the red lights on and have a look at it a few times before exlcuding one of them. To let it go shows a complete lack of responsibility. I think it is the same Polish ref that Crumpy had issues with a couple of years back. If Tony Steele was removed from the list of FIM refs who can officiate at a GP, (I dont recall the background, and may be wide of the mark, but seem to recall someone in the Speedway Star recently mentioning that they couldn't understand why he had been removed), then Mr Wojciech Grodzki should also be removed. Bomber should get a wild card into the series next year and I for one look forward to it. He has been a worthy addition. At the start of the 07 series, if someone said to him here is 7th equal (even 9th) in the world I am sure he would have taken it. Just a bit disappointing he fell in his first heat whilst second. Bomber will have learned a few things this year though, hopefully one of them will be when the outside clearly isn't working and you are off gates 3 or 4 and can't gate....cut back!!!!! Its been a great GP series, roll on 08. Gothenburg here we come, all booked up and raring to go!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Blue Bee Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Not much makes me post but I was disgusted with what happened tonight. From what I could see Scott was desperate,took Chris out and got his place. I hope Scott will have the decency now to hold his hands up and say sorry and give Chris his rightful place in next years GP but I doubt it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ridiculous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Chris "I'm Rune Holta II" Harris felt the nudge and let it go. The right foot immediately was off the footrest and fractions later the hands let go. There was plenty of time and space to stay on the bike. On a different meeting and a different heat he would have stayed on and stuffed Nicholls on the next lap. Now there was no time... Good for Scotty to stay in the series!! And for someone asking about runoffs, read the rules... I bet Chris Louis hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Good points f-s-p, but it's the British way of life you're trying to change At the moment 'the public' love Chris and hate Scott...and last night's race was perfect for the moaning majority to scream about. I'm glad Scott's in, and Rune Holta as well. In the whole series they entertained me a lot more than Chris did. He had one good GP before a brilliant Cardiff and nothing since. He should be much better next year, and hopefully he learnt something in Germany. Bomber is certain, as is AJ, of a wildcard place. So I'm happy with the result and have no problem with how it came about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 And for someone asking about runoffs, read the rules... I bet Chris Louis hasn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct f-s-p As shown in my post in :- http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...0entry1052608 ATB Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thats not the point. Yes the GP's are individual but they could have team ridden that to secure both a place YET Scott has to get one better, IMO he's lucky that the Ref had gone for a burger! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can I ask how they could have team rode seeing as Holta had flew from the gate and was miles in front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I didn't realise there was a referee there. I was waiting for Bomber to do a Boyce on Nichols <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. In my view it was the best decision from a referee for a long time. He made sure all three riders booked their place in GP 2008 which in my view was only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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