barrow boy Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 The best supported 15 riders were, would you believe, the actual 15 that will be competing in 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I actually do think that the postings all were on what they tink IMG would choose. Not the riders they wanted in the circus. IMO you can't call it a World Championship as long as some competitors are selected because of political and economic reasons, and not because they actual are within the 15 best riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I actually do think that the postings all were on what they tink IMG would choose. Not the riders they wanted in the circus. IMO you can't call it a World Championship as long as some competitors are selected because of political and economic reasons, and not because they actual are within the 15 best riders. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mmmmm garf .I don't think you can say that about my list.If you look closely i didn't pick all the riders that had qualified.Plus i picked riders i knew IMG wouldn't choose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Sorry Doug! I'm afraid I was to fast on "the trigger" here. You have some "young guns" on your list. Would have been interesting to see tha line-up in the GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 No real problems with the 15 that are there TBH,just that i have a feeling Lukas Dryml will be next years whipping boy.(If he bothers to turn up that is. ) So i would have Hampel instead,but that would make him a beggar would it not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 IMO you can't call it a World Championship as long as some competitors are selected because of political and economic reasons, and not because they actual are within the 15 best riders. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so how do you decide which riders that are top 15?? Unless there is a determined ranking system of some sort i think there will be very hard to agree on who the 15th best riders are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 so how do you decide which riders that are top 15?? Unless there is a determined ranking system of some sort i think there will be very hard to agree on who the 15th best riders are? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's the problem. On current form I'd have Sullivan in the top 15, but it all depends on where these guys are riding. It's very hard to compare them when they don't all ride in the same leagues, or GPs alone, etc. It's easy to say the top 8 are the 8 guys who finished the GPs there, but riders like Sullivan and Karlsson who specialise in Sweden or Poland and weren't in the series could easily be up there with a ranking system. But as you say, how do you work that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sEdgY2 Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 weres mr adams 1 Nicki Pedersen 2 Crumpy 3 Gollob 4 Jonsson 5 Andersen 6 Sullivan 7 Harris 8 Hancock 9 Hampel or Nicolls 10 Kaspazak 11 Holta 12 Jagus 13 Harris 14 Lindgren 15 Bjarne Pedersen 16 Zagar <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sEdgY2 Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Common sence always prevails The thread was "if you could choose", not "who will IMG choose", so everybody got full mark <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 No real problems with the 15 that are there TBH,just that i have a feeling Lukas Dryml will be next years whipping boy.(If he bothers to turn up that is. ) So i would have Hampel instead,but that would make him a beggar would it not <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Lukas qualified, you can't claim he doesn't deserve to be or shouldn't be there. Hampel should have qualified if he wanted to be in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hampel should have qualified if he wanted to be in it <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And so should your some-time hero Chris Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 And so should your some-time hero Chris Harris. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed. But saying Hampel deserves a place over Dryml when he didn't qualify isn't correct. After that point it's in BSI's hands, but as far as the qualification method goes you can't say the rider doesn't deserve to be in it or shouldn't be in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Certainly - Dryml deserves his place ahead of Kasprzak, Harris, Lindgren and Jonsson. But let's look at the nominations, none of which I have much of an argument with, except for what they reveal. Why did Hampel miss out, when a certain former British champion has had so many nominations over the years? Last year the argument here was that he missed out through missing the Prague GP. That, you all said, would be the consideration, but no consideration for the three GPs that Hampel missed. I don't happen to think Hampel warranted a nomination. Which is me being consistent, since I didn't think the former British champion deserved one this year. What will become of Harris if he misses out next year? Will he suffer the fate of Zagar, who actually qualified for this year and be kicked out? Or will everyone find some reason why he should be in. I think Zagar had a decent enough shout for a nomination this year. Not that I think he'd have done much with it, but still he was kicked out after one year of failure, when certain others have been allowed to fail for years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Had the same 3 qualified and same 8 finished in the top 8, what 4 picks would you have gone for? The 4 that were chosen? Not having a dig just curious to see whether you think they've gone to the right 4. I personally believe wildcards are essential. For example if Nicki Pedersen gets injured in the 1st round of the GP and is out for the season it gives BSI, and now IMG, the option to put him back in, whereas with no wildcards he wouldn't br granted this reprieve. I don't agree with quite how it's done though, possibly a max of 2 picked by BSI/IMG would suit me, making the GP qualification process far more worthwhile with more spaces up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 (edited) Had the same 3 qualified and same 8 finished in the top 8, what 4 picks would you have gone for? The 4 that were chosen? Not having a dig just curious to see whether you think they've gone to the right 4. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I already said I had no specific argument with the nominations for the coming season. I'm just saying that going by previous seasons, Hampel and Zagar had good cases for a nomination. In fact, I'd say they had better cases than some who've been granted nominations in the past. Edited October 29, 2007 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) Bl***y hell i've started something here haven't i . I didn't mean that Lukas doesn't deserve to be their,he qualified & fairplay to him. Just that i don't think he has the ability to add anything to the series like he did a few years ago.That's not his fault cos alot has happened since then.I'd like nothing better than for him to prove me wrong & suceed but i'm just saying on paper he's the weakest of the 15.All i'm saying with Hampel is that he has a stronger case for being 1 of the world's top 15 but he's failed to prove so & that's why he isn't in & Lukas is.Does that make sense? Edited October 30, 2007 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) I personally believe wildcards are essential. Agree entirely. I would caviat that by saying that only riders who compete in the qualifying process for the following season should be eligible for wildcards. While I am not arguing against Chris Harris and Andreas Jonsson's inclusion, I am pleased that the other 2 wildcards all chose to attempt the qualifiers as did a nunber of the existing GP riders who felt a place in the Top 8 was not certain At the start of the season I saw it as a bit of an arrogant approach from the two Brits who didn't bother with the qualifiers and assumed they would get picked should they not qualified. In the case of Scott Nicholls, I would have been pleased that had he not qualified he didn't get a wildcard. Harris I have more sympathy but he should be in the qualifiers this year IMO And to stick up for Jarek Hampel in all this, he may not have qualified but he did go through the qualifers only to fail at the final stage Edited October 30, 2007 by Chris Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 No real problems with the 15 that are there TBH,just that i have a feeling Lukas Dryml will be next years whipping boy I guess time will tell. Not that you would expect me to agree with that statement though. Lukas will go to the GP's and have fun. I suspect from time to time he may just fuffle a few feathers and p**s on a few peoples parade He has certainly not been out of his depth all the way through the qualifiers and at a World level this season Should be an interesting one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 fuffle a few feathers<{POST_SNAPBACK}> There's a mouthful if ever I saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Agree entirely. I would caviat that by saying that only riders who compete in the qualifying process for the following season should be eligible for wildcards. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't say I agree, for the example I gave earlier. If Nicki/Crump/Andersen was out for the season after the first GP in your mind would that mean that they weren't elligable for a wildcard spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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