paulr Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Does Poland really pay more than UK ?? - I dont really know personally But I was speaking to a Polish guy at the world cup meeting at Brandon recently (after he nearly fell over at the admission price) he was saying that entrance fee to a Polish club meeting is about £4 - £5 so either they are getting a heck of a lot of bodies in at meetings, they have much better sponsorship and TV deals, or can run their club more efficiently than UK promoters if they can pay big buck salaries - any one know ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 so either they are getting a heck of a lot of bodies in at meetings, they have much better sponsorship and TV deals Much bigger crowds and good, errr.. sponsorship. I could be wrong, but don't many teams run in municipally-provided stadiums as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Polish clubs generally pay little for using the stadia. Gate receipts don't even nearly cover rider wages. The clubs, due to those that run them, are political minefields in many cases. It's all about "sponsorship"... ...can't say much more, but it's surprising they're not all sponsored by Sketchley's, get the idea paulr ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 T Rik quit BEL basically because of GP commitments, so did Hancock, Billy did in days gone by, so did PK in the past.... Many have done it.. We have to face up to the fact that speedway isnt all about BEL Racing anymore. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ok, so in one post you're telling me that the GP's haven't contributed to the downfall of the EL, but then you go posting something like this. so which one is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Im not saying It's caused the downfall of our league at all.. I was just illustrating that if certain riders were made to choose between BEL & the GP's they would follow their world championship goal.. However that decision will never have to be made, instead they will be made to choose between which leagues they compete in. In fact riders such as Gollob, AJ, Hampel have contemplated a return to BEL because of of the GP's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Polish clubs generally pay little for using the stadia. Gate receipts don't even nearly cover rider wages. The clubs, due to those that run them, are political minefields in many cases. It's all about "sponsorship"... ...can't say much more, but it's surprising they're not all sponsored by Sketchley's, get the idea paulr ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats exactly right. At the present time its not worth putting one penny into british speedway as your wasting your time and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Can I ask a serious question, and one I'm interested to know the answer to please? What would make you change your mind? What would need to happen to the sport for you, as a sponsor, to want to invest in British speedway? Okay, that was two questions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, Schumi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Does make me laugh that BSI are still being blamed for problems in the Elite league.. The Swedish & Polish promoters for years had to deal with the fact they had 1 NIGHT to hold their speedway meetings as the British league held all the cards & could stage meetings on any night they wanted.. Did they moan? No they realised what they were working with & got on with it. If the Elite league promoters got together & tried to help each other, then a lot of the problems would be resolved.. But I guess some will always blame the GP's for our leagues shortcommings. As for indivdual meetings in Britain being less than days gone by, make them finacially worth it like they were back then & you may see them reappearing.. Also dont completely (ock it up like the EL riders championship this year.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on Tex, and thankxx to The Know for the insights! Some NIMBYs have to be dragged into the 21st century sooner or later. The One-Off Finals were great in their era, but times have changed; we have a product that has to compete for sponsors' dollars with a whole heap of other motorsports, all of which run over a yearly format. Now the go is "The Chase" where there's a cut-off 2/3rds of the way through the season and just the top Pointsgetters can win the comp. Seems to be working OK in NASCAR and NHRA. Doubtless in a year's time people will be slagging off IMG just as they've slagged off BSI in the past; there's just no pleasing some folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Doubtless in a year's time people will be slagging off IMG just as they've slagged off BSI in the past; there's just no pleasing some folk. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's because they are principally the same company, many of the top BSI boys are the top boys at IMG so very little will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 That's because they are principally the same company, many of the top BSI boys are the top boys at IMG so very little will change. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Last time I looked IMG was a large international company, the largest independent sports TV producer in the world to be exact with over 2500 employees and offices in about 50 major cities world-wide. None of the "Top Boys" at BSI are the "Top Boys" at IMG. Couldn't find the name Postlethwaite on the Board of Directors either. I believe JP has been kept on as an advisor during the transition period but that's about it, m8. If any of the other sports IMG has a hand in can be used as an example then one of the things that will change for sure is the amount of dollar$ the riders will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 If any of the other sports IMG has a hand in can be used as an example then one of the things that will change for sure is the amount of dollar$ the riders will make. Unless of course they find they've been sold something of a turkey. Time will tell I guess... Personally, I believe individual speedway racing will prove to have a limited market, but I certainly have no problem if IMG can leverage the SGP into a full-time self-financing series. It's the current setup to which I object. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) we have a product that has to compete for sponsors' dollars with a whole heap of other motorsports For what end though? To enrich BSI/IMG? The top-level of practically every other sport is run by the national federations for the benefit of the whole sport, and even where it isn't, they usually accure substantial licence fees from the commercial rights holders. Great, so BSI/IMG are bringing-in GBP 4 million in sponsorship and television money every year, but so what if the rest of the sport sees none of it? Now the go is "The Chase" where there's a cut-off 2/3rds of the way through the season and just the top Pointsgetters can win the comp. Seems to be working OK in NASCAR and NHRA. Yes, because it's a completely different sport to speedway, not to mention that it actually undermines your argument. NASCAR runs a whole host of competitions, from the Nextel Cup down to grassroot events, recognising that it can't just skim the cream off the top of motorsport without investing in driver development as well. Doubtless in a year's time people will be slagging off IMG just as they've slagged off BSI in the past; there's just no pleasing some folk. Yes, because undoubtedly little will have changed in terms of the inequitable set-up. Edited September 28, 2007 by Kevin Meynell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Last time I looked IMG was a large international company, the largest independent sports TV producer in the world to be exact with over 2500 employees and offices in about 50 major cities world-wide. None of the "Top Boys" at BSI are the "Top Boys" at IMG. Couldn't find the name Postlethwaite on the Board of Directors either. I believe JP has been kept on as an advisor during the transition period but that's about it, m8. If any of the other sports IMG has a hand in can be used as an example then one of the things that will change for sure is the amount of dollar$ the riders will make. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Unless of course they find they've been sold something of a turkey. Time will tell I guess... Personally, I believe individual speedway racing will prove to have a limited market, but I certainly have no problem if IMG can leverage the SGP into a full-time self-financing series. It's the current setup to which I object. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its on its way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Its on its way. I heard that ten years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I heard that ten years ago. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes.I remember someone in the know telling us Postlethwaite had big things planned for british speedway as well.I hope that wasn't the Bulldogs adventure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 One off World Championship matches IMO were/are better because you had all the atmousphere for 1 match only and nobody knew who the winner would be untill, in most cases the winners last ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I heard that ten years ago. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Times change, pity you dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Yes.I remember someone in the know telling us Postlethwaite had big things planned for british speedway as well.I hope that wasn't the Bulldogs adventure <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least he tried and lost a lot of his money doing it. He thought he could change things for the better but didnt reckon on the AS- H-LES, sorry bspa and fellow promoters closed shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Can't blame the BSPA for JP losing loads of dosh, more like him chucking it about what seemed like willy nilly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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