Qualifier Top 3

[T.N.T.]

using the past precedents, IF Adams retired, Lubos gets his place as Lubos is now 1st reserve.  Coming 9th in the GP series gives you no such status.  Basically, Lubos replaces ANY rider who does not ride in a GP for what ever reason.  One of the advantages of doing the qualifiers.

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SHOULD (?) any of the top 8 this year decide to pull out of next years competition, that place will be decided by a nomination, ity will not go to Lubos Tomicek who will be first reserve next year.

 

Should any rider withdraw through injury after the 15 riders have been declared, then and only then will Tomicek be included but will still wear the #19 race jacket.

 

SWEDEN; Andreas Jonsson and Fredrik Lindgren

 

ENGLAND; Chris Harris and Scott Nicholls

 

Regardless of positions this year, these will be in the 2008 line up.

[M08]

Matej Zagar, Antonio Lindback and Wielsaw Jagus to drop out.

[Subedei]

Matej Zagar, Antonio Lindback and Wielsaw Jagus to drop out.

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And if Jagus makes the top eight?

And why doesn't Zagar get a second chance? The former British champion has had chance after chance after chance and he's still no further forwards. In fact, all this charity isn't helping him one little bit. The whole speedway world will ridicule ANOTHER nomination for this serial failure if he fails again.

[f-s-p]

SHOULD (?) any of the top 8 this year decide to pull out of next years competition, that place will be decided by a nomination, ity will not go to Lubos Tomicek who will be first reserve next year.

 

Should any rider withdraw through injury after the 15 riders have been declared, then and only then will Tomicek be included but will still wear the #19 race jacket.

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"The top 8 riders of the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification of that year shall

be directly qualified for the following year’s Grand Prix Series.

The top 3 riders from the FIM Speedway Grand Prix qualification system shall be

directly qualified for the following year’s Grand Prix Series.

To make up the 16 riders for the following year's Speedway Grand Prix

Championship, the remaining 4 riders, plus 1 Wild Card rider, will be decided by

the Speedway Grand Prix Promoter and the SGP Commission."

 

What if someone decides to retire in January? I thought this would be clearer...

[Niclas]

I believe PUK will perform better in the GP nest season than his last apperance. He is more matured and now he knows what it takes to be a GP-rider. One good thing with PUK is that he differ from the rest of danes concering the safety of the opponents on the track. PUK is very rarely involved in any crashes and as long as I know his reputation is far much better than the rest of the danes. I believe he will be able to be among the top-ten.

 

Its great to see Lukasz back in the GP, since the horrible crash 2004, he hasnt been the same but I think he is recovering a lot as a rider and I strongly believe he still is a rider who might be even better in a couple of years. He might as well be top-ten. Comparing to PUK I believe Lukasz is much more of a "winner" than PUK.

 

Bjarne... He hasnt done anything this year to make me happy (I would have preferred to se KB instead), but Bjarne is the one who made it. I cant see anything that will change his performance next year comparing to this year. Bjarne has been a great rider in England, he has performed well in Sweden but he´s like Holta, he isnt the man for the individual races, he might just be a great "teamracer"

 

Lindgren will be a GP-rider nest year, not only for his performance in the swedish and scandinavian GP but for the simple fact that BSI realise there need to be two swedes in the GP. If Anton had performed better he would have been the other swede, but Lindgren is today the better of these two.

[RPNY]

I personally would like to see the last 4 places decided by a GP challenge type meeting, like what they used to have a few years ago.. The bottom 7 from this years GP plus the 4th to 12th place finishers (think Ive done the Math right there!) from the weekend qualifier in a last chance saloon race off.. They could get sky to cover it, it would be one hell of a meeting and I believe a lot fairer way to decide the line up for the following years GP series.. But I guess they need certain countries represented, therfore it wont happen.

[iris123]

I believe PUK will perform better in the GP nest season than his last apperance. He is more matured and now he knows what it takes to be a GP-rider. One good thing with PUK is that he differ from the rest of danes concering the safety of the opponents on the track. PUK is very rarely involved in any crashes and as long as I know his reputation is far much better than the rest of the danes. I believe he will be able to be among the top-ten.

 

 

Bjarne... He hasnt done anything this year to make me happy (I would have preferred to se KB instead), but Bjarne is the one who made it. I cant see anything that will change his performance next year comparing to this year. Bjarne has been a great rider in England, he has performed well in Sweden but he´s like Holta, he isnt the man for the individual races, he might just be a great "teamracer"

 

Lindgren will be a GP-rider nest year, not only for his performance in the swedish and scandinavian GP but for the simple fact that BSI realise there need to be two swedes in the GP. If Anton had performed better he would have been the other swede, but Lindgren is today the better of these two.

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I agree with your assement of Niels.He has impressed me a lot this season.I think he will be better prepared for the GPs next year.Whether he will do enough,i am not sure.

Also agree.I would rather have seen Kenneth(and it should have been his day)than Bjarne.And i guess your right about Freddie,but i think he will be another that struggles.So far he hasn't impressed me at all.And i said beforehand that i couldn't see him qualifying from Vojens.And i still haven't seen anything to convince me he will do well

[tigerblues]

And why doesn't Zagar get a second chance? The former British champion has had chance after chance after chance and he's still no further forwards.

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I actually agree with most of this bit I've quoted.

Plus with more Slovenian interest now and a GP being held there regularly Zagar will add interest for the locals so no doubt he'll get a nomination again.

[colincooke]

As this thread is supposed to be about Saturday's qualifiers & not all the other junk i've veiwed i'll give an opinion on that.

After seeing PUK & Dryml last night it's certain that their GP credentials must be in question.OK so Swindon maybe isn't their happiest hunting ground but a rider in the world's top15 should be able to cope with whatever's thrown at him on track.

Bjarne however showed what a class act he is even if his team riding abilities we're at 0 last night.

[superguest]

I agree with your assement of Niels.He has impressed me a lot this season.I think he will be better prepared for the GPs next year.Whether he will do enough,i am not sure.

Also agree.I would rather have seen Kenneth(and it should have been his day)than Bjarne.And i guess your right about Freddie,but i think he will be another that struggles.So far he hasn't impressed me at all.And i said beforehand that i couldn't see him qualifying from Vojens.And i still haven't seen anything to convince me he will do well

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOTw6-LHh-A

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z19K5yUqFQ

 

 

 

Freddie is a very talented rider but another year out of the SGP seris wont harm him, but say hes not done anything to convince you is hard to believe.

[colincooke]

Cheers SQ, seeing that race with Hans & Bomber again sent the pulse racing.

Not a bad ride from Freddie in Heat 11 v Poole either

[iris123]

As this thread is supposed to be about Saturday's qualifiers & not all the other junk i've veiwed i'll give an opinion on that.

After seeing PUK & Dryml last night it's certain that their GP credentials must be in question.OK so Swindon maybe isn't their happiest hunting ground but a rider in the world's top15 should be able to cope with whatever's thrown at him on track.

Bjarne however showed what a class act he is even if his team riding abilities we're at 0 last night.

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If only it was that easy.You say after their performance in one meeting their GP credentials must be in question.OK then.I guess Hans Andersens GP credentials don't need to be qustioned.But on sunday in one of the most important meeting of the year for Wroclaw Hans scored 7+2 from 6 heats.Kenneth Bjerre who didn't manage to qualify for the GPs in the same meeting and for the same team got 15+1(7)!!!!! No-one can maintain super standards throughout the season.Most top riders take on far too many meetings for their own good.Promoters have themselves to blame.How many sportsmen/women have so many high pressure events in so many countries.Puk(only just back from injury)had a very hard meeting in Vojens saturday.Then had another high pressure play-off in Poland sunday and then last night,yet another in Britain.And from that poor performance in such a schedule you question his ability?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOTw6-LHh-A

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z19K5yUqFQ

 

Freddie is a very talented rider but another year out of the SGP seris wont harm him, but say hes not done anything to convince you is hard to believe.

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I was talking about when i have seen him live .Last year in Holsted he was definitely for me not as good as Henrik Moller and Seb Aldén for instance.And on the other few occassions i have seen him live...Oxford,Moorwinkelsdamm and now Vojens i haven't been convinced he is capable enough on unfamiliar tracks.Sure he is probably brilliant at Monmore,but so is David Howe

[superguest]

I was talking about when i have seen him live .Last year in Holsted he was definitely for me not as good as Henrik Moller and Seb Aldén for instance.And on the other few occassions i have seen him live...Oxford,Moorwinkelsdamm and now Vojens i haven't been convinced he is capable enough on unfamiliar tracks.Sure he is probably brilliant at Monmore,but so is David Howe

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We will see,

[colincooke]

I would suggest that Niels isn't in fact in the world's top 15 purely because I can name at least 15 other riders I'd consider as better than him, and I'm a big fan of Niels.

 

I don't think it's even possible to decide who the world's top X riders are because there are so many variables, but I do think that any rider who goes down the route of qualification deserves their place in the GPs. So he may not be up there fighting for top honours, but then not many riders are these days. I'd much rather see someone there who has qualified than someone who's been chosen because their face fits.

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Don't get me wrong i wasn't saying neither deserve to be there, they've qualified by right & good luck to them.It's just as you say it's so hard to say who does have a given right to be their after those 11 that have earnt it.4 places are so hard to choose when commercialism comes into it as well,& it does all depend on who gains that much sought after 8th spot.My personal thought is that it'll be AJ but who knows, it could be any of 5.Do we say put the other 4 in or do we allow for the claims of KK,Lubos,Bjerre etc.Retirements are of course another consideration.I'll finish now cos i'm even confusing meself

[Steve Turner]

I'd much rather see someone there who has qualified than someone who's been chosen because their face fits.

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Face fits ? Yes, I'd agree...

But the qualification system is nonsense, so that earns no respect from me either.

 

Personally, I'd invite the top five or maybe six from this year series (no one outside the top six has a hope of winning the overall title) to return full-time in 2008 - all the other ten/eleven places in each GP would be wildcards. Based on previous performances, local interest, age and potential, and how they are scoring in every league in which they compete.

If a rider entertains really well, he gets put into the next GP as reward...same if he makes the Final.

To name five now, is easy...it would obviously be Nicki, Adams, Crump, Hans and Gollob. No other rider, except possibly Greg (5% chance ?) can lay claim to the World Championship, so why give them a season's worth of GP's unless they prove themselves ?

Now what we have is a system where we end up having to watch riders who maybe qualified, maybe were seeded, but are no longer deserving...and haven't been since the end of the first Grand Prix !

 

p.s

I'd also bin practice, that's a complete joke ! And I wouldn't have more than 10 GP's.

[iris123]

I agree with that Steve.I do think there should be more fluidity with the riders.I did say maybe some quali heats before the main event.But i think there should be more movement in/out of riders outside the top few.That would give more chance for the likes of Sajfutdinov,Bjerre,Holder and others to get into the GPs.

[Ghostwalker]

maybe there should be a more dramatic change for 2009? with only top 5 guaranteed a place and with 5 Qualified riders and 5 wild cards?

Edited September 18, 2007 by Ghostwalker

[SPEEDY69]

i think lubos should also be given a chance... hes proved tonight hes got what he takes, only losing it in a run off...

 

if the brits would do the qualifier i might agree to put one of them in as a wild card. but i personally think that they think they'll get it handed to them on a plate and i dont think thats the way it should be. 

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Jonsson, Hampel& Nicholls wiil all have a nomination if they fail to get 8th spot IMO. This will leave 2 places for either of Holta Jagus(assuming they don't get 8th),KK & Lindgren ,although Bjerre has staked his claim tonight.Gee it's tough innnit

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If Hampel doesnt get a top 8 place, then he will get nominated. If KK gets a place it will be instead of Jagus or Holta.

 

I would say Jagus would then lose out as Holta is the Norwexxx POLISH Champion.

 

Remember Hampel missed 2 rounds

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Everyone seems to be forgetting that Hampel got knocked out of the qualifiers so if he gets a nomination then that system loses credibility as riders who beat him could quite rightly claim to be higher in the pecking order than him. I think Holta would get the 'Polish' nomination ahead of Hampel as he is the National Champion. Don't think Iversen, Dryml or Bjerre rode like they were even in the top 50 in the world at Swindon on Monday!

Think only top 3 should be in for the next year, with riders 4 to 10 being seeded to the qualifying final, from where 9 places are up for grabs, leaving 3 nominations (if they must have them).

Edited September 19, 2007 by SPEEDY69

[ballinger]

maybe there should be a more dramatic change for 2009? with only top 5 guaranteed a place and with 5 Qualified riders and 5 wild cards?

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Or maybe be even more dramatic, and have top 8 from previous GP start in the following GP, with the 7 remaining places being decided the night before in a full 16 rider 20 heat meeting. The final GP place going to the local wildcard as usual.

 

The qualifying meeting may not neccessarily be staged at the same venue as the GP, eg Pardubice for the qualifier and Prague for the GP

 

The 16 riders for this qualifier to be the bottom 7 from previous GP plus 9 riders that have bought their place. Therefore riders outside the starting 15 could purchase a place with the aid of sponsorship and if they are in form (eg Davey Watt at present) they could immediately compete with the worlds best.

[Steve Turner]

Go and have a lie down Mr Ballinger... and we'll have no more of your mad ideas thankyou