Qualifier Top 3

[stuart road]

Whatever the rights and wrongs of including Nicholls, Zagar, Lindback, Holta or anyone else that could be viewed as being undeserving of a 2008 GP place, the final decision on who's in or out will be a commercial one. In all probability, the organising body will decide that, for example, 2 Brits are better box office for the whole series, not just the British GP, than one.

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so in other words,this is not a WORLD championship,merely a world select competition.

 

if the worlds top ten were all british,would you be happy for 8 of them to be overlooked,on the grounds of 'quotas' needing to be fulfilled for other nations?

 

in 2003 britain had 5 riders at cardiff,this year only 3,were the crowds significantly different?

[bigcatdiary]

Don't think so! Pretty certain the Brits will continue to have 2 spots. Can't see Zagar getting nominated in front of people who are well ahead of him in this years series.

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I agree it would be financial suicide not to have at least 2 brits in next year, bearing in mind the British GP seems to make most of the money.

 

Having said that I am surprised that niether of the two chose to do the quals

[Chris Brown]

I agree it would be financial suicide not to have at least 2 brits in next year, bearing in mind the British GP seems to make most of the money.

 

Having said that I am surprised that niether of the two chose to do the quals

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There is an argument that the nominations should come from the riders who put themselves out to do the qualifiers and that is why I have respect for Hampel etc.

 

Why should the same riders continually rely on nominations. I would say that you get only one nomination and should you not keep your place based on that then unless you do the qualifiers then bad luck

 

Nicholls and Harris are in a position where they knew at the start of the season that for 2008 they would be in the series as the series will have 2 Brits and at the moment there is no other options.

[salty]

The problem lies with the clash between commercial and sporting interests.

Once the World Championship became the "property" of a commercial concern then it follows that their interests would become more powerful.

Thus, we now have a situation where riders are given GP slots due to commercial considerations, for example the "need" to have at least 2 Brits and Swedes in the series.

 

The best system would be like the old GP Challenge where riders 9-15 in the end of season GP standings ride in a meeting against 9 riders who have come through a qualifying process, the top 7 get slots for the following year.

But of course that runs the risk of a series without a Brit and BSI apparently can't risk that so we have the fall back of the nominations.

[pirateaj]

AJ has had one bad year and your crucifying him 

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not saying that just seems finishing in top 8 is not that important as the same few riders seem to get wildcard picks every year i understand what people say about having the criteria but aren`t there other riders who could have the picks & add some fresh faces into the GP`s , just a thought though

[stuart road]

The problem lies with the clash between commercial and sporting interests.

Once the World Championship became the "property" of a commercial concern then it follows that their interests would become more powerful.

Thus, we now have a situation where riders are given GP slots due to commercial considerations, for example the "need" to have at least 2 Brits and Swedes in the series.

 

The best system would be like the old GP Challenge where riders 9-15 in the end of season GP standings ride in a meeting against 9 riders who have come through a qualifying process, the top 7 get slots for the following year.

But of course that runs the risk of a series without a Brit and BSI apparently can't risk that so we have the fall back of the nominations.

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i basically agree with you,however i do believe consideration should be given to compensate for injuries

[windsor]

sorry having blond moment does any one have the whole results??

[pirateaj]

sorry having blond moment does any one have the whole results??

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1st iversen , 2nd dryml , 3rd b pedersen

[Subedei]

But of course that runs the risk of a series without a Brit and BSI apparently can't risk that so we have the fall back of the nominations.

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But, of course, BSI are no longer involved and it's IMG, an American organisation that call the shots now. Presumably, if Hancock does call it a day you believe another American should be drafted into the circus to replace him - Janniro in the GPs, what a sick joke - very nearly as sick as a fourth chance for a serial failure like the former British champion. He's already raced in 54 GPs and still hasn't come close to winning one.

But I don't believe he'll get a fourth chance - Sky are obviously losing patience with him, as is shown by Pearson questioning whether he'd get another chance during the Bydgoszcz GP.

[pirateaj]

sorry having blond moment does any one have the whole results??

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[wjm]

Pretty boring qualifiers, reading that Iversen has got better than when he was last there ? has he really , I just don't think there is much about him he is just floating now he isn't getting any bette, would have rather seen Bjerre than him.

 

Dryml , yeah he was a talent a few year ago and was unlucky with injuries, but that was a few years ago.

 

Bjarne, as a league rider is obviously very good, he is one of the best 16 riders in the world, but that's all he is, hes never going to win the world title.

 

 

As for Wild Cards Lindgren is clearly going to be a Grand Prix riders next year.

 

 

Who else should get one who knows.

 

You know what sod it I would give Holder one, hes a better rider than some of the GP riders in there now, he will only get better, every one goes on about ow there are two riders from here but four from here who cares other than IGM,

 

I would rather watch Holder than Lukas Dryml he offers me nothing as a spectator.

[stargirl91]

not saying that just seems finishing in top 8 is not that important as the same few riders seem to get wildcard picks every year

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well he was 4th this year and 8th the year before so i dont think AJ's really in that catagory.

[rabbit]

You know what sod it I would give Holder one

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Rather unfortunately put...

[wjm]

Rather unfortunately put...  

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Yes reading it now I guess it was.

Edited September 16, 2007 by wjm

[frigbo]

I assure you Drml is not dull..obviousely you havnt seen any speedway at the showground..if you want dull check out Ulamek

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I have as it happens. Anyone will look dull 1/4 of a lap behind like Dryml will be for most of next year's series!

[Paddy The Rebel]

If Freddie is going to get picked as a wildcard into the series next year surely that all depends on wether Andreas qualifies in the top 8, as if he doesnt are the authorities going to give 2 swedish riders nominations through

 

Well done To Lukas glad to see him back in the GP Series at last , Niels K Iversern just benefitted from it being on one of his homeland tracks and IMO will do poorly next year in the series.

 

Bjarne deserves another shot at it next year as he has gone through the process of qualifying again and can do much better than this year

 

the probable top 8

 

1.Nicki Pedersen

2.Leigh Adams

3.Jason Crump

4.Hans Andersen

5.Tomasz Gollob

6.Greg Hancock

7.Chris Harris

8th (Wide open)

9th Niels K Iversen

10th Lukas Dryml

11th Bjarne Pedersen

12th ??

13th ??

14th ??

15th ??

 

I guess the 4 other spots will go to nominations.

 

and they probably will be 12th.KK 13th Andreas Jonsson 14th Freddie Lindgren 15th Jarek Hampel

 

2 swedes and 2 poles

 

If Hampel doesnt make the top 8 surely its a 3 way desicion Holta,Hampel,K K . who do you pick??

[Subedei]

the probable top 8

 

1.Nicki Pedersen

2.Leigh Adams

3.Jason Crump

4.Hans Andersen

5.Tomasz Gollob

6.Greg Hancock

7.Chris Harris

8th (Wide open)

9th Niels K Iversen

10th Lukas Dryml

11th Bjarne Pedersen

12th ??

13th ??

14th ??

15th ??

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I'm not that sure how secure Harris is in seventh, to be honest. At the minute he's 12 points ahead of eighth place, but he's hardly setting the GPs alight these days. A couple of good GPs for a couple of the chasing pack and Harris could find himself outside the top eight.

I should think it will all look a bit clearer after Krsko. However, at the minute I'd say the certainties, should they wish to take part in 2008 are:

 

L Adams

J Crump

L Dryml

N Pedersen

N-K Iversen

B Pedersen

H Andersen

T Gollob

G Hancock

[Silver Bee]

I'm waiting to see Subedei's reaction when Scott finishes 9th but Adams retires

[Subedei]

I'm waiting to see Subedei's reaction when Scott finishes 9th but Adams retires 

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Adams won't retire until another Australian, presumably Chris Holder, is ready to take his place.

And anyway, I think the former British champion will struggle to finish 9th, with superior riders such as Jagus, Hampel and Jonsson breathing down his neck - I think he'll finish 11th.

[Robyn1972]

I'm waiting to see Subedei's reaction when Scott finishes 9th but Adams retires 

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Won't make any difference though, will it. if Adams DOES retire, it still won't change this year's qualifying positions. Anyhow, Scotty has to achieve 9th first!

 

I believe I'm correct in saying that Scott has now been quoted several times over the past couple of seasons as claiming that his reason for not doing the qualifiers is that if he doesn't qualify in the top 8, then he doesn't deserve to be in the series at all. Now fair enough, last year he missed some rounds due to inury, and that was taken into consideration when he was handed the freebie. This year that doesn't apply, and so surely he will be man enough to stand by his own words and spend a year concentrating on upping his form sufficiently to get back in on a nomination the year after, whilst also doing the qualifiers to earn back his spot. Or will he?