MAUGERACE Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) Surely the time is not far off before another Polish speedway rider wins the Speedway world title...........I would of liked it to be Tomasz Gollob but fear it is too late for him now to follow in the footsteps of Jerzy Szczakiel ( who unfortunately was regarded as a homer when he won it in 73), I recall the likes of Zenon Plech,Pawel Waloszek,Edward Jancarz,who would all have been regarded as worthy winners,the young Poles who have come through theses last 2 years must beb in with a realistic chance of winning. Edited August 13, 2007 by MAUGERACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Karol Zabik would be the best bet of the current real young Poles. I still say Kasprzak and Hampel have something to say on the World Stage. Maybe even Kolodziej if he finds the consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) Karol Zabik would be the best bet of the current real young Poles. I still say Kasprzak and Hampel have something to say on the World Stage. Maybe even Kolodziej if he finds the consistency. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my guess is Kaspar he is still young 23 y.o. and i think that he is a bit better and more experienced then Zabik and KK showed in the SWC final that he can perform well even under massive pressure. Another thing that makes me say KK is that he ides in all 3 major leagues; Sweden, Poland and England. That makes him more experienced on a bigger variation of track types from smaller narrower english tracks to larger wider polish tracks. You should not forget youngster Buczkowski either. He might very well be a contender in some 5-6 years from now. Edited August 13, 2007 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) I think Kasprzak has all the right credentials, tough, focused and talented, good luck to him ............... Without the advent of the GPs Gollob would have been world champion 100%! Edited August 13, 2007 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 There's not a Pole anywhere near good enough at present. Far too often they pass 21 and their careers stagnate or fall apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 I pretty much agree with Frigbo there, but I'll word it differently Polish riders tend to reach their best level very early in their careers. Most drop back quite quickly, some stay at that level. It's strange ! I guess it's because they are pushed so hard by their clubs/managers at home. As well as the fact that the modern Polish generation is a very determined one. I think that while there is still a big variety of tracks in the GP series, we won't be seeing a Polish Individual World Champion yet. I would say the best way for a Polish rider to advance at a good rate over all track types would be to ride in the Polish and British Leagues only, over at least 5 years. Swedish tracks are quite neutral and don't lend themselves to improving rider techniques. If a really good Polish kid took on the British Premier League for 2 seasons, then the Elite (or whatever our future set-up is) for 3 seasons...while riding in the top league at home, then Poland might just get the Champion they are waiting for...and richly deserve That's my opinion anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 From my polish point of view. 1. If you find Zabik as a material for SGP, you should check what happened to Adrian Miedzinski after he finished 21. They both have similar skills, and both had way easier way to get to the first squad (their fathers were speedway riders and also were coaches in Torun). Zabik owns great equipment. Many of youngsters in Poland cannot afford that much so he beat them often. But... I saw him many times and he has never passed nobody while I was watching. In my opinion he is just good gater. Simply look at this year result of PL Golden Helmet final or PL individual championship semi-final... Nope, not him I say. 2. KK. He is gifted, no doubt. But if someone knows the Gollob's career beginning, will understand why KK will face (and facing now) loads of troubles. He simply cannot lose. And it is not a fact that makes a benefit for him. Week ago he made Jagus fail after heat simply because... he won and score max and KK did 7 or 8 pts. Kasprzak will have to pay some fine but even Leszno supporters say that there should be suspension for him. He simply is a part of "Kasprzak gang", and they take no prisoners... The atmosphere around them in Unia Leszno is getting... unpleasant. If KK wont change he will struggle the same problems that T. Gollob had to struggle. All against one. Kasprzak is to smug. They all are. This will cause him troubles for sure. Look at those footages and judge yourselves. Is that a proper behaviour? Leszno - Torun 05.08.2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmTSwGsDVoI Czestochowa - Leszno 22.07.2007 http://nieznajomy70.wrzuta.pl/film/s72F6eLSi7/ 3. We have some good youngsters but there really is a gap in blocks aged 21-23. Lack of candidates. Kolodziej struggles, and many people thought he will be our polish big gun. Remember this names: Piaszczynski, Szczepaniak, Lampart, Kielbasa, Janowski. Who knows, maybe in few years... Still cannot get over Cegielski loss... He was such a great rider, person, mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Przepraszamy Lezaw I forgot to say that I think Krzysztof Cegielski had everything required to become World Champion. He was simply brilliant and of course the early end to his career was a great loss to Polish speedway, as well as to the rest of us. As for Kasprzak, indeed he has big problems around him, but never in this country. So I guess his mind is different when riding at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 As for Kasprzak, indeed he has big problems around him, but never in this country. So I guess his mind is different when riding at home. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. I saw him few times on SKY and I was more than suprised as he was different mate. Since this year SWC final he started to play "hero", showing no respect to nobody. I personaly hate that kind of behavior. But not everyone can be Greg Hancock. All best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 There's not a Pole anywhere near good enough at present. Far too often they pass 21 and their careers stagnate or fall apart. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That may be true in some cases, but we're still more likely to see a Pole become world champion before we see another Brit lift the trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Wackie, but thanks to polish speedway "headquater" Brits can (and they do) ride in polish league as a U-21 riders. For polish youngsters it is not a very good situation, as they should ride with the best riders as well in league, but it is great opportunity for Brits. Not only Brits of course. Look at the 2007 U-21 final line-up. Loads of finalists started to ride in polish Ekstraliga last year... Many of you think about e.g. Zabik as a great chance for Poland. So I can say that many of my friends think the same when talking about Woffinden or Auty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) Lezaw, young Poles can (and do) ride with the best in the EL over here.... well until their Polish clubs demand they return home & improve their scoring in Poland before they are allowed to return. There just seems to be many more prospects coming out of Poland but the PZM seem to be their own worst enemy in holding back these youngsters progressing naturally. btw. I think Woffinden has decided he's an aussie and not a Brit, so that's another one off our list. Edited August 13, 2007 by Wackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Poland did not produce a world champion in the past decade, and that was their high time. Gollob is still the best, but he's not good enough. At the moment there is not the same quality of young riders coming though in Poland than in the past ten or fifteen years. Just look how many (few) Poles are in this year's world U-21 final. I'm sorry but the chances for a Polish world champion are not improving. Seems there could be a Danish dominance just around the corner, something we had in the mid to late 1980's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 That second incident was one of those things in racing, but the problem came after, as Greg lay on the track, Krzysztof spoke to him in (alledgedly) a very unsporting way ! His actions were reported to the referee by the medics, who were shocked, I'm told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Shumi, I was trying to underline the situation AFTER the crush. Look, Greg was lying unconscious (http://ckmfoto.com/images/photoalbum/album_152/CKMvsLeszno_ckmfoto_35.jpg) and this... punk was gesticulate something to him. I am not telling that he hit him but people who were closer say various things... Another thing is that ref excluded Greg from that ht. Mistake, I say, mistake... About situation with Jagus - well, he is to pay 7000 PLN fine... Some dudes say that he earns 2000 PLN for one point in Unia Leszno. It's gossip but in every gossip there is a little of true, right? He should have been suspended for at least 1 match. Pity, because it seems that we are losing another rider. Yep, losing because even his home supporters don't want him next season in the UL line-ups. You see, polish league is hell different than BEL. Bests! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen79 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Look at those footages and judge yourselves. Is that a proper behaviour? Leszno - Torun 05.08.2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmTSwGsDVoI Czestochowa - Leszno 22.07.2007 http://nieznajomy70.wrzuta.pl/film/s72F6eLSi7/ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That second incident with Hancock... when did it happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I put the exact dates before URLs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 That second incident with Hancock... when did it happen? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was the incident that Greg spoke about at the Czech GP. That's why he felt so beat up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lezaw Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 To be honest I still can't believe how does it happened that no bones were broken there... It was fence smacking on a full throttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Ah, I only watched it until the crash. Yes, at best it's certainly unsporting. Is he like this in Poland in general? I don't think I've heard of anything similar happening here from the Lakeside point of view. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like Lezaw said it is not just him,but the whole family have this reputation going back quite a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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