Vic Ridgeon Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I've posted some thoughts on the future for speedway on the Wolves v Racers thread and wondered if what I have said there is compatible with the dicussions your having here? http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/ind...30entry989548 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 They wouldn't need to take some sort of international agreement, they could just not let riders ride in britan if they are riding in two other counties already. I think you just need to couch it in terms of "you must be available for every British fixture". The issue is more the number of times riders are competing in other countries (and when), rather than the number of countries they compete in. For example, riders might just be riding in the Italian and German leagues which only have a handful of fixtures that are ridden on Sundays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 On plant speedway there were talks of only having 2 leagues next year with the wealthier PL clubs joining the EL. I think this would work if they also did the following…. 1.Only let riders ride in two countries, so there would be less use of rider replacement and guests. 2.Reduce the points limit in both leagues, so teams would be more even. 3.Set the admission prices for all clubs in the EL to £12 adults and PL to £10 adults. The leagues would probably look like this. Elite league 1. Poole 2. Coventry 3. Belle Vue 4. Arena Essex 5. Eastbourne 6. Ipswich 7. Wolverhampton 8. Peterborough 9. Reading 10. Swindon 11. Birmingham 12. Kings Lynn 13. Oxford 14. Sheffield 15. Stoke 16. Rye House Premier League 1. Workington 2. Glasgow 3. Edinburgh 4. Berwick 5. Newcastle 6. Redcar 7. Mildenhall 8. Somerset 9. Sittingbourne 10. Plymouth 11. Scunthorpe 12. Weymouth 13. Newport 14. Isle of Wight 15. Buxton 16. Exeter (hopefully <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you on glue? If attendances/wealth are anything to go by Workington would certainly be in the top tier. Stoke???!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 They would take some sort of international agreement, and I doubt that will happen. However, there's no doubt the Elite League needs to cut costs, so some of the top riders will have to go. Elite and Premier are silly meaningless superlatives anyway. I can understand why you might not want to use Division 1 and 2 when they're effectively separate leagues, but what's wrong with 'League One' and 'League Two', or even 'British League' and 'National League'? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably because Elite and Premier are snazzy and Americanized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Probably because Elite and Premier are snazzy and Americanized. Although the two most successful US leagues are just called the 'American League' and 'National League'. For that matter 'National Football League', 'National Basketball Assocation' and 'National Hockey League' are pretty mundane. It's only 'Major League Soccer' that has any sort of superlative in its name, which is ironic considering how 'unmajor' that league actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Are you on glue? If attendances/wealth are anything to go by Workington would certainly be in the top tier. Stoke???!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same as Redcar. They get more than Stoke too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Same as Redcar. They get more than Stoke too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats redcars and stokes crowds like this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hamilton Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 On plant speedway there were talks of only having 2 leagues next year with the wealthier PL clubs joining the EL. I think this would work if they also did the following…. 1.Only let riders ride in two countries, so there would be less use of rider replacement and guests. 2.Reduce the points limit in both leagues, so teams would be more even. 3.Set the admission prices for all clubs in the EL to £12 adults and PL to £10 adults. The leagues would probably look like this. Elite league 1. Poole 2. Coventry 3. Belle Vue 4. Arena Essex 5. Eastbourne 6. Ipswich 7. Wolverhampton 8. Peterborough 9. Reading 10. Swindon 11. Birmingham 12. Kings Lynn 13. Oxford 14. Sheffield 15. Stoke 16. Rye House Premier League 1. Workington 2. Glasgow 3. Edinburgh 4. Berwick 5. Newcastle 6. Redcar 7. Mildenhall 8. Somerset 9. Sittingbourne 10. Plymouth 11. Scunthorpe 12. Weymouth 13. Newport 14. Isle of Wight 15. Buxton 16. Exeter (hopefully <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont think it would work really and with respect I doubt whether Stoke or Rye House would ever be equipped for Higher level speedway. Also, the standardisation of Entry Fees would be unworkable as each Club has a differing level of Costs. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) I dont think it would work really and with respect I doubt whether Stoke or Rye House would ever be equipped for Higher level speedway. If there were radical changes, I'd guess a more likely line-up for top-flight might be the current 10 BEL tracks, plus Oxford, King's Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham. The remaining 12 BPL tracks might be joined by Plymouth, Scunthorpe and Weymouth (and possibly Exeter). What kind of crowds are Workington and Redcar getting these days? Perhaps they might be candidates for the top flight as well. I'd guess there would still need to be some sort of Conference League involving Buxton, Sittingbourne, Boston and BEL/BPL second teams. A 14-team BEL would mean 26 league matches, and probably 12 more league cup matches (2 groups of 7), for a total of 38. A 16-team BPL would mean 30 league matches, and probably 6 more league cup matches (4 groups of 4) for a total of 36. Then there's the various KOC and 'playoff' matches to factor in as necessary. Edited August 1, 2007 by Kevin Meynell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 If there were radical changes, I'd guess a more likely line-up for top-flight might be the current 10 BEL tracks, plus Oxford, King's Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham. The remaining 12 BPL tracks might be joined by Plymouth, Scunthorpe and Weymouth (and possibly Exeter). What kind of crowds are Workington and Redcar getting these days? Perhaps they might be candidates for the top flight as well. I'd guess there would still need to be some sort of Conference League involving Buxton, Sittingbourne, Boston and BEL/BPL second teams. A 14-team BEL would mean 26 league matches, and probably 12 more league cup matches (2 groups of 7), for a total of 38. A 16-team BPL would mean 30 league matches, and probably 6 more league cup matches (4 groups of 4) for a total of 36. Then there's the various KOC and 'playoff' matches to factor in as necessary. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think it depends on what happens in the winter personally, but there must be something in the wind if kings lynns jonathon chapman has said he would seriuosly think of taking kings lynn back up, considering what happened before. I think they may try to make it more like the old true premier league of a few years ago, where as its more like conference league now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Does any1 know where i can hear what was said on this show please?, plant speedway? is that planet speedway?, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevs Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Matousek http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/sport/speedway/ Then under the planet speedway banner hit the grey listen again option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Matousek http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/sport/speedway/ Then under the planet speedway banner hit the grey listen again option. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thanks nevs ill take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 But why? Already quality riders are in short supply. Having 16 teams in the top flight will spread the better riders even thinner and will force clubs to do an "Oxford" and desparately scrabble for anything that resembles a heat-leader, regardless of costs and availability. We need to make EL speedway more attractive to stay-away riders and therefore create more competition between riders for team places, rather than the current situation that forces teams to compete, on price, amongst each other for the top riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 But why? Already quality riders are in short supply. Having 16 teams in the top flight will spread the better riders even thinner and will force clubs to do an "Oxford" and desparately scrabble for anything that resembles a heat-leader, regardless of costs and availability. We need to make EL speedway more attractive to stay-away riders and therefore create more competition between riders for team places, rather than the current situation that forces teams to compete, on price, amongst each other for the top riders. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because likely the leagues will change dramitacally?, also if the thing with riders can only ride in 2 leagues comes in, possibly many top stars may go anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllimnitram Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 I dont understand how last year the elite league was close at the top with the top 7 teams or so all in contention. the rise in the points limit must have messed it up for this year but something drastic needs to happen in british speedway but its almost impossible to find a solution to suit everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 On plant speedway there were talks of only having 2 leagues next year with the wealthier PL clubs joining the EL.IWBIWISI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 IWBIWISI <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exsqueeze me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Exsqueeze me <{POST_SNAPBACK}> IWBIWISI I Will Believe It When I See It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 On plant speedway there were talks of only having 2 leagues next year with the wealthier PL clubs joining the EL. I think this would work if they also did the following…. 1.Only let riders ride in two countries, so there would be less use of rider replacement and guests. 2.Reduce the points limit in both leagues, so teams would be more even. 3.Set the admission prices for all clubs in the EL to £12 adults and PL to £10 adults. The leagues would probably look like this. Elite league 1. Poole 2. Coventry 3. Belle Vue 4. Arena Essex 5. Eastbourne 6. Ipswich 7. Wolverhampton 8. Peterborough 9. Reading 10. Swindon 11. Birmingham 12. Kings Lynn 13. Oxford 14. Sheffield 15. Stoke Wealthy . . !!! 16. Rye House Premier League 1. Workington Tony Mole 2. Glasgow 3. Edinburgh 4. Berwick 5. Newcastle 6. Redcar 7. Mildenhall 8. Somerset 9. Sittingbourne 10. Plymouth 11. Scunthorpe 12. Weymouth 13. Newport 14. Isle of Wight 15. Buxton 16. Exeter <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How can Redcar be in a different league to Wolves if its done on wealth when they have the same owner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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