British Under 15's Championship 2007

[771neil]

We asked for him to help us to get in touch with promoters etc and that we would take it from there if he wished to which he ended the phone call.

[sullihansfan]

So that never answered my question did it!!!!!

[Guest Christophers Dad]

So that never answered my question did it!!!!!

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Hi Sullihansfan

I have kept out of this debate for a reason but with less than 3 weeks left we have only had 2 rounds of the Under 15 Championship this Season.

After competing in the Under 15 event last season my Son Christopher has been available to travel to any venue to take part in the rounds.

We travelled to Northside (292 Miles)after he rode in the Weymouth Round (101 Miles) yet again he was named as a reserve all of a sudden the "Northern Boys"want to play.

Chris had 2 sheduled rides in the Main Meeting and in the 3rd Race a previously unknown rider decides to plant his bike across my Son and put his footrest through his front wheel.

Oh how jolly Christopher being quite bright thinks bail out and lives to fight another day

Yes it was a good day sharing his bikes with his his good friend Kye Norton .

Then last Sunday he was invited to join the 250 cc squad at Scunthorpe he rode like a tart but had a good day .

Why does it have to be like this its all about developing young British Riders and not all about favourites and ego trips

What is your interest or your point Sullihansfan

PS

Are you the Fat Bloke who was at Scunthorpe last Sunday

Edit

Or after a little investigation one of the Fat Women

Pat Bint

Christophers Dad

Edited October 9, 2007 by Christophers Dad

[gordi]

we to feel greived about the under 15s, either by not receiving an invitation or by late contact when other plans have been made. As for some of the back stabbing, what about what Bob C wrote on this forum about what Peter Oakes had supposedly told him about the 250cc, Peter denies this. Our boy is sick of it all and at present is just out for fun and enjoy himself. In the last few weeks has really been able to enjoy his speedway again. We have heard that there are no more rounds of the under 15s. Can anyone shed more light on this subject?

 

Christophers Dad dont let this grind you or Chris down, just go out and enjoy yourselves and just do what suits you and Chris and sod everyone else.

[sullihansfan]

Who am I a nobody really, just someone who read's this forum regularly and also follow's avidly all the young up and coming star's of the future, I have no favorite's!!! As I have said before surely if you are that upset about how the Under15's are run why don't you get together with the other moaner's and go directly to the BSPA yourselve's. As you can see with what has gone on in the Elite League this season the weather has a lot to play with event's not happening, perhap's more ought to have gone on earlier in the season and when the kid's are on their summer break's etc. Subject closed in my book......

[Guest The Sceptic]

Who am I a nobody really, just someone who read's this forum regularly and also follow's avidly all the young up and coming star's of the future, I have no favorite's!!!  As I have said before surely if you are that upset about how the Under15's are run why don't you get together with the other moaner's and go directly to the BSPA yourselve's. As you can see with what has gone on in the Elite League this season the weather has a lot to play with event's not happening, perhap's more ought to have gone on earlier in the season and when the kid's are on their summer break's etc. Subject closed in my book......

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Please dont ever describe yourself as a nobody,its so demeaning and uncalled for.

Obviously you have an opinion to which are are entitled to voice via this forum.

I agree more could have been achieved during the School Holidays when its easier for the kids and parents to travel.

In previous years the Under 15s have been run over many rounds spread out over the Season,this year only 2 rounds to date.

Its nice to hear your comment of having no favourites thats how junior speedway should be all kids having fun and the better riders will rise and move up regardless.

The Under 15 Final was held at Redcar last season,was it you looking the part in a rather nifty Team Shirt with Spot the dog

[771neil]

All the other moaners would they be the parents who spend thousands on bikes,kit,travel and track time plus time away and lots of hours in workshop basically run family life around your kids racing. But bspa do nothing bar take our money for licenses. You can t blame weather cause nothing was planned for then.

[Montana-May Jowett]

Hi Sullihansfan

    I have kept out of this debate for a reason but with less than 3 weeks left we have only had 2 rounds of the Under 15 Championship this Season.

After competing in the Under 15 event last season my Son Christopher has been available to travel to any venue to take part in the rounds.

  We travelled to Northside (292 Miles)after he rode in the Weymouth Round (101 Miles) yet again he was named as a reserve all of a sudden the "Northern Boys"want to play.

Chris had 2 sheduled rides in the Main Meeting and in the 3rd Race a previously unknown rider decides to plant his bike across my Son and put his footrest through his front wheel.

Oh how jolly Christopher being quite bright thinks bail out and lives to fight another day 

Yes it was a good day sharing his bikes with his his good friend Kye Norton .

  Then last Sunday he was invited to join the 250 cc squad at Scunthorpe he rode like a tart but had a good day .

Why does it have to be like this its all about developing young British Riders and not all about favourites and ego trips

  What is your interest or your point Sullihansfan 

PS

Are you the Fat Bloke who was at Scunthorpe last Sunday 

Edit

  Or after a little investigation one of the Fat Women

                                                                          Pat Bint

                                                                          Christophers Dad

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THINK YOU COULD HAVED FRAZED IT A BIT BETTER THAN THAT IE: RODE LIKE A TART

 

 

VERY ANGRY MUM

[sullihansfan]

Reply to Christopher's Dad I know I said the book was closed but thought I would put the record straight I'm neither of the people you suggested I might be and now youv'e gone and upset someone else! Still feel you could spend some of your hard earned money that you gripe on about contacting the BSPA if you feel that strongly on the way Peter Oakes has handled thing's.

[771neil]

I ve tried to get in touch but seems impossible to reach the top your just told peter is who you have to talk to and so it goes around again. I know a few parents who have tried to speak to bspa and get the same problem.

[Tom N]

Hi Sullihansfan

    I have kept out of this debate for a reason but with less than 3 weeks left we have only had 2 rounds of the Under 15 Championship this Season.

After competing in the Under 15 event last season my Son Christopher has been available to travel to any venue to take part in the rounds.

  We travelled to Northside (292 Miles)after he rode in the Weymouth Round (101 Miles) yet again he was named as a reserve all of a sudden the "Northern Boys"want to play.

Chris had 2 sheduled rides in the Main Meeting and in the 3rd Race a previously unknown rider decides to plant his bike across my Son and put his footrest through his front wheel.

Oh how jolly Christopher being quite bright thinks bail out and lives to fight another day 

Yes it was a good day sharing his bikes with his his good friend Kye Norton .

  Then last Sunday he was invited to join the 250 cc squad at Scunthorpe he rode like a tart but had a good day .

Why does it have to be like this its all about developing young British Riders and not all about favourites and ego trips

  What is your interest or your point Sullihansfan 

PS

Are you the Fat Bloke who was at Scunthorpe last Sunday 

Edit

  Or after a little investigation one of the Fat Women

                                                                          Pat Bint

                                                                          Christophers Dad

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Hi Chris's Dad

He did not ride like a Tart he went out and enjoyed it because he did not excel at his first attempt on a 250 do not put him down come on The Mighty Binty

[Guest Christophers Dad]

THINK YOU COULD HAVED FRAZED IT A BIT BETTER THAN THAT IE: RODE LIKE A TART

   VERY ANGRY MUM

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Oh Dear sorry Monty,but then i would hardly call you a tart .

You are a very well mannered young Lady,and a good Speedway Rider also

Pat Bint

"Christophers Dad"

PS

My actual comment was cleaned up to post on the Forum same number of letters and still ending in T

Edited October 9, 2007 by Christophers Dad

[Guest Christophers Dad]

Reply to Christopher's Dad I know I said the book was closed but thought I would put the record straight I'm neither of the people you suggested I might be and now youv'e gone and  upset someone else! Still feel you could spend some of your hard earned money that you gripe on about contacting the BSPA if you feel that strongly on the way Peter Oakes has handled thing's.

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All i have comented on is were you at Scunthorpe,you obviously have me confused with somebody else.

Yes my money is hard earned but believe me i never gripe on spending any of it on my Son Christopher.

As you say the book is closed and your opinion is highly respected

PS

Read your posting of Sept 27th you state exactly who you are i was told on the phone yesterday evening

Edited October 9, 2007 by Christophers Dad

[morganbike]

Do not bite the hand that feeds you.You are all riding high on your 250's but when it comes down to moving up to 500's remember the under 18's, under 21's, Cardiff invites,Brighton invites,Junior European and World competition are all run by Peter.

This year was no different to others and in March/April as usual, all riders who wanted to take part in the 2007 Championships should contact Pete and register their interest.The difference for 07 being that the 250 was introduced and a championship was to run alongside the 500's.

However the initial interest was poor and only two 250 entries were recieved named Greenwood and Hazelton.

The initial 500 lineup was down to very few entries and this caused serious concern.

 

Johnson

Norton

Greenwood

Sargeant

Meakins

Franklin

Butler

Bint

Forgive me if you were missed out

 

 

Therefore the championship was put on hold and the bad weather delayed things further.The tracks were not booked as not enough entries to run both championships were recieved.

However I can now in OCT name 14 250 riders who were on 250 at the start of the season so why did you not enter ?.

As Pterboro lad (Mark) says its a no no for riders to do 250 and 500 championships did that put you all off ?

 

At both rounds, the enforced Stoke assesment day/must be 14 to ride a 500 rules have been binned with Garrety, Hazelton,Wolves Mascot,Dale lamb, etc etc taking to 500 to make up the numbers.

 

The back stabbing and arguments that took place at cardiff between the 250 boys created a bad atmosphere within the camp and this was relayed to the top.

 

As my son will still be 14 in 08 I am worried that the under 15's will cease to run and I only hope that the Academy league wil continue to allow competative racing to take place. This years academy league has been a huge success and the riders that have been involved have made hige steps.

Look at Kyle Newman,Ollie Gay,Alex Mc Loud,Dan Greenwood,John Reich. etc

 

 

As far as blaming the BSPA for your problems then they have no controll over the promoters and clubs.You are Junior riders so they will treat you so.

 

On Sat I saw Jake Night and another riding a 500 at Rye House.This is the clubs policy on developing riders and if the academy league goes ahead in 08 then they have riders ready to compete.

 

Call me a brown nose or whatever I don't care.You should not blame Oakes for your own misinterpretations.Step into the real world of speedway racing or stick in your own breakaway group.

 

PAT- I told you on the way to Redcar last year Chris would benefit from riding the 250.

MARK- I have not seen Adam ride since last January why have you not been around the scene.

[Great Central]

Phil,

Whilst I have no involvment in the U15's anymore, I do have an interest in seeing the young speedway riders develop because they are the future of Britsih Speedway. I don't entirely agree with all of your comments but you do make some valid points so I will just add a few points trying not to add to the slanging match that this thread seems to be developing into..

When my son Chris first registered an interest in the U15 championship, I think there were 23 riders available at the start of the season with a couple more joining as the year went on. 7 rounds were declared in April and you knew where you were riding at that point

The next year was I think very similar so rather worryingly, in 2007 only 8 riders registered. Where are they all, or is youth speedway so badly organised that that's all there are for a National Chamipionship. Even if you add the 250's, you won't get to the numbers present in previous years. Pretty depressing picture mirrored by what I see at training schools.

You state that people shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them which sort of implies a threat but I am sure that it isn't meant to be, however Peter Oakes does U15/U18/U21/Academy League?/Oxford CL Director of Speedway?/Coventry Team Manager/ Daily Sport Ice Hockey/speedway reporter/Speedway Star reporter to my knowledge.

Is that giving enough direction and support to youth speedway - I think not and I am sure that Peter may think so as well. It probably isn't his fault either, it being more likely the body that runs speedway in this country but I do know that getting young riders to ride at Cardiff took a lot of Peter's persuasion to make it happen and was resited by many. Too many people talk about developing youth speedway but don't turn it into action. Peter has at least done that and it really looks like he needs some support.

Scunthorpe are taking some stick at the moment for having a strong CL team but who is running a mini track with a top ex rider tutoring, and who runs regular winter proctice sessions. They do and will reap the benefit in the future.

To all the parents that have children coming up through the ranks in youth speedway, write to the BSPA and SCB to express disatisfaction with how it is going, then maybe someone will sit up and take notice. Previuosly stated on here by me is that there are about 150 riders in Denmark on 125's(can't remember the exact figures) which has a population of one 1/8th of Great Britain's. Who is doing it right and who is producing the world champions?

[771neil]

Phil

Just a few things are you saying that it doesn t matter how good you are at riding you won t get picked for the above meetings if you have said something bad about mr oakes. Also there are no break away groups just parents and promoters arranging matches, juniors pay for licenses and should be given the same respect, and finally believe me i ve been it the real speedway world for 10 years plus and can t wait for you to enter it and see how it works.

[Tom N]

Phil

Just a few things are you saying that it doesn t matter how good you are at riding you won t get picked for the above meetings if you have said something bad about mr oakes. Also there are no break away groups just parents and promoters arranging matches, juniors pay for licenses and should be given the same respect, and finally believe me i ve been it the real speedway world for 10 years plus and can t wait for you to enter it and see how it works.

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Neil

You should tell it as it is you were in Mexico would Phil have paid for your air Fare.

[Tom N]

Phil

Just a note can you tell me where you got your information as I for one will bring the matter before Peter Oakes myself as at no given time have I pulled out any round or refused to ride in the event that I have known it was on,I have only pulled out of one event entered that being Workington. So I hope your Facts are correct and that you check with the relevant parties that all information is correct otherwise your posting is verging if not bringing the sport into disrepute????

[p'boro lad]

MARK- I have not seen Adam ride since last January why have you not been around the scene.

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Hi Adam was in two minds about February/March time about calling it a day with Speedway (this was after breaking his hand at Redcar in October at the last U15's) and concentrate on grass track in the East Mids, Eastern centre and Kent area, further compounded after Cardiff GP (after all he was only 11 then and wanted to see his friends in the pits even if he wasn't riding). After Tom Naylor contacted him asking if he wanted to ride at Kings Lynn he said Yes as it was for Tom, over this season his confidence has improved no end, the comradeship and friendship amoungst the boys is great, racing their hearts out and then football in the pits afterwards, and he is now enjoying his riding both speedway and grass track (at which you probably realise he upgraded early to inters this season) I think he really needed this for this season. Shall be seeing you around.

[morganbike]

Ok that was comfortable,

 

Martin, As a friend and experienced Dad your posts as usual are very acurate and to the point.Yes you are correct in that Oakes has his hands full this year.BUT he is capable of mastering all his commitments if the entries to events stimulates his ego. The BSPA will not find anyone who has the history and commitment that Peter has.He brought Crump and Sully into our world and at Peterboro and Swindon was a master.Coventry is his Latest conquest with Oxford getting near and traveling with the euro under 18's and 21's who have done well this year has taken its toll.Laurence has said that he will offer to run the under 15,s next year but its not that we need a new organiser we need the entries.

 

To sumarise the lack of entries to the 2007 Under 15's has not been great and does not stimulate the organiser.

 

p'boro lad

I only mentioned Adam as you were the No No on the 250/500 mix and you still have not told me why you think that a 14 year old should not be allowed to ride both classes. Answers please.

 

Tom,

I am correct and as you are a novice then I will re-explain.

The add in the Star as in all years is something like this.

All riders who wish to compete in the British Under Fifteens Championship 2007 are to apply to Oakes at +++++ etc etc

Did you apply.? If so it is up to the organiser to invite riders to the events. Remember that if you are planning a rebelion which you were, you may be ommited !!!

 

Neil,

Mexico is hot and humid and Tom why would I pay his air fair ? Comparison Please.I have been there.The Taco's and Enchilada's are good and the Corona with the worm will give your pecker a lift. Your comments on rider ability are true in the Junior league and its not always the best or fastest lappers that go thru untill you get paid for it.Then they will adopt the best rider.Thats life and true.the academy league when you get there will bring this home.

Since meeting you I have no doubt about your 10 years experience in the speedway world but Dan and I have already entered it and can cope fine thanks. The money does not pay for expenses but he can grab an icecream and the odd mc donalds now and then.

 

How is it that the Stoke assesment was blown out the window and we now have guys on 500,s in the under 15's .2nd time of asking?????

 

Finally for ths post

Remember this is a forum for open speech and do not be afraid to post as the feedback will bring the youth riders like Shane, Ashley,Mark,Adam,Rhys,Chris etc the acknowlegement they deserve.

Edited October 11, 2007 by morganbike