Mariusz Dubi Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hello! For about 6 years I have been administrating the WORLD SPEEDWAY RIDERS RANKING which for a few months has been published on the web site www.przegladzuzlowy.pl. I'm looking for results of all individual speedway competitions and I would like to ask you to provide me with any speedway results from all corners of the world. Your support is appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 It's just my opinion and I don't mean to be disrespectful but I think every year he rankings bring up unrealistic positions. For example I have read on your site that Tony Rickardsson who has retired is 14th and Jernej Kolenko is ranked higher than Mark Loram and Rory Schlein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 It's just my opinion and I don't mean to be disrespectful but I think every year he rankings bring up unrealistic positions. For example I have read on your site that Tony Rickardsson who has retired is 14th and Jernej Kolenko is ranked higher than Mark Loram and Rory Schlein. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah have to agree with Bazaar no offense Mariusz Dubi but i also find your list a bit unaccurate. IMO i.e. Rory Schlein should be much higher has been riding very persistent this year. ANd he is aonly ranked as 53rd? AND Mikael Max who have been i a really poor form this year is ranked 40th?? Could you please specify how you rank the riders? IS it only individual races or is it league as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Can you please explain how you are working out the list ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delgado Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 It's just my opinion and I don't mean to be disrespectful but I think every year he rankings bring up unrealistic positions. yeah have to agree with Bazaar no offense Mariusz Dubi but i also find your list a bit unaccurate. Yeap I tought the same, but taking this opportunity I would like to invite you to my site World Speedway Ranking All best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Yeap I tought the same, but taking this opportunity I would like to invite you to my site World Speedway Ranking All best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nice but I ask you the same question Delgado how do you rank the riders? how do you get the averages? What ridings do you base your list upon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariusz Dubi Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I have read on your site that Tony Rickardsson who has retired is 14th and Jernej Kolenko is ranked higher than Mark Loram and Rory Schlein. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The English-version (rules too) is prepared. The ranking is embracing all individual competitions, championships of World and Europe and scores of three strongest leagues (GB-Elite League, SWE-Elitserien, PL-Extraliga) on the end of European season. Classification is a reflection of VALUE of the rider! No ranking is saying which competitor is 100% better – my also not! The classification is depended on amounts of meetings in which rider participated in the LAST 24 MONTHS. Kolenko isn’t better than Loram and Schlein but he started in 28 meetings – more than Loram (8 meetings) and Schlein (11 meetings). Theoretically if Rickardsson came back today to speedway-riding, his probable position (VALUE) would be about 14-th. His position will be falling every month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariusz Dubi Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I tought the same, but taking this opportunity I would like to invite you to my site <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I already saw your side – is very good! I think that from connecting both rankings will arise a very realistic classification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTom Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Yeap I tought the same, but taking this opportunity I would like to invite you to my site World Speedway Ranking All best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not much better. You have Kyle Legault way behind Andrew Moore!...Remind me again, which one is in the GP qualifier final!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Not much better. You have Kyle Legault way behind Andrew Moore!...Remind me again, which one is in the GP qualifier final!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It certainly isn't easy to rank so many ridrs as Delgado has.I mean most wouldn't have ridden against each other once you get below a certain level.We can all pick holes.I wouldn't take it that seriously.It is just interesting to an extent.I wouldn't have Zetterström above Kylmäkorpi.You could also point out that Tobi Kroner is 136th and he also qualified for Vojens.It is only one place but i can't see Rune Sola being better than Simon Gustafsson either.But can you suddenly go and place Legault or Kroner right up there just because they have done well in a couple of meetings.How do you work out what meetings are worth what ranking?. Look at Kevin Wölbert.Rides in the Ekstraliga for Zielona Gora.Unfortunately for Kevin in his first year they got promotion so he has struggled a bit.But,he has qualified for the last 3 European U19 Finals.Has now qualified for his first World U21 Final,just days after his 18th birthday but is still only ranked at 253rd place.But he did beat Pavlic,Gustafsson and Risager in his U21 semi.And this season he has beaten Holder,Iversen and Andreas Jonsson for instance.Can you then put him on a level with those riders?Like i say,the task isn't easy.Each person that does such a thing would get riders in totally different places according to who they see more often,where they see them or who they like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) It certainly isn't easy to rank so many ridrs as Delgado has.I mean most wouldn't have ridden against each other once you get below a certain level.We can all pick holes.I wouldn't take it that seriously.It is just interesting to an extent.I wouldn't have Zetterström above Kylmäkorpi.You could also point out that Tobi Kroner is 136th and he also qualified for Vojens.It is only one place but i can't see Rune Sola being better than Simon Gustafsson either.But can you suddenly go and place Legault or Kroner right up there just because they have done well in a couple of meetings.How do you work out what meetings are worth what ranking?. Look at Kevin Wölbert.Rides in the Ekstraliga for Zielona Gora.Unfortunately for Kevin in his first year they got promotion so he has struggled a bit.But,he has qualified for the last 3 European U19 Finals.Has now qualified for his first World U21 Final,just days after his 18th birthday but is still only ranked at 253rd place.But he did beat Pavlic,Gustafsson and Risager in his U21 semi.And this season he has beaten Holder,Iversen and Andreas Jonsson for instance.Can you then put him on a level with those riders?Like i say,the task isn't easy.Each person that does such a thing would get riders in totally different places according to who they see more often,where they see them or who they like <{POST_SNAPBACK}> doug, the last time I was featured in 2006 I managed to be no. 626 (with only 3 meetings at all)... still ahead of some conference league riders haha Edited July 24, 2007 by herman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 doug, the last time I was featured in 2006 I managed to be no. 626 (with only 3 meetings at all)... still ahead of some conference league riders haha <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Obviously never seen you then Henning And you are now unemployed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delgado Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 First of all I never said it is perfect because it is not and it will never be couse that’s not possible. Not much better. You have Kyle Legault way behind Andrew Moore!...Remind me again, which one is in the GP qualifier final!!!! It's simply because Andrew is riding in EL ang Kyle one level lower. tought the difference is not big and think as soon Kyle will start to ride in EL his average will shoot up, wich I wish him very much. Iris mate are you interested ? If yes just look up How does it work and Scoresheets sections and you will know. It's not me placing riders in some positions they are doing it by them self by simply scoing points or not. It's you who would like to see them somewhere else then they are. Simple example did you check averges of Kylmakopi and Zorro? No? Polish 1 division: Magnus Zetterstroem 2.245 Joonas Kylmaekorpi 2.056 Eliteserien: Magnus Zetterstroem 1.627 Joonas Kylmaekorpi 1.463 In Britain Magnus Zetterstroem premier league 2.612 divided by 2 = 1.306 Joonas Kylmaekorpi elite league 1.535 Another thing is why Rune Sola is higher then Simon. Rune doesn't ride very often only in Norway (where he's no.1 and Denmark few meetings in DSL and 1.Division from wich results are almost inpossible to find). I am no athority to lower someone average simply because he's not riding too much,good example here is Mark Loram. Ranked currently 7th with average 8.23. Mark started the season with average 8.15 from last year, had couple good meetings and get injured from that point hes average stays the same.He is moving up and down depending on other riders disposition, as for Simon Gustafsson he's main league is Swedish 1.division wich is not much stronger then norwegian league and somewhere near danish 1.division. Simon average is growing fast and I suppouse it will grow even faster next year when he will be riding more often in eliteserien and in allsvenskan when he will be probobly promoted with he's Team Kumla Promotion. Regerding Kevin and other young talented riders like him they are just inconsistant. Winning with world champion doesn't mean that he is better. Thing is that Kevin is able to win in one heat with someone like Krzysztof Kasprzak (world class) and loosing in next heat to Robert Kasprzak (without good reputation whatsoever). You are say he's struggling because it his first year in ekstraliga but so is Chris Holder and he put some double figures in couple matches unlike Kevin. the same Jurica Pavlic who was riding in 1 division last year and stepped up this season scored 8+3, Emil Sajfutdinow and Nikolaj Klindt both where able to score double figures last year in theirs first year in Poland. Kevin is young rider and like Kyle they have yet to prove how good they are it's all before them. Don't try to push them where they are not yet, but they will get there give them time. Every one has the right to disagree with that, people asking those questions because they think some rider is better then other or have bigger talent or just they fancy one more then other, thing is that I can answer them over and over again thousand times. don't take it too seriously people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) Iris I know exactly what you're trying to say there, in your roundabout way. Anyway, I'd have said the same thing. It's not an easy task, and I applaud anyone who can set up their own site and find the time to do something like this for their own pleasure and for the benefit of others. Edit: MD it might be easier if you say which results in particular you're after, maybe chronologically, or ones you already have, then people might be able to help. Edited July 24, 2007 by Schumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 No Delgado,maybe you misunderstood my post.I tend to agree with you.Like i said you can't put Kevin or Kyle on a par with riders they have only beaten once when they lose to inferior riders.I said it isn't easy.Just to look at the other rankings and Joonas is up there and Zetters is just out of the top 100.I would have to say that(and that is only my opinion)you have to take into account the fact that Joonas has been injured a fair bit and riding with his injuries which gives him a false average.Keep up the work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Obviously never seen you then Henning And you are now unemployed? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nah still a nanny, but with a new family.... maybe I can even return to racing soon but time will tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Iris I know exactly what you're trying to say there, in your roundabout way. Anyway, I'd have said the same thing. It's not an easy task, and I applaud anyone who can set up their own site and find the time to do something like this for their own pleasure and for the benefit of others. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks As you hopefully know i was trying to defend both sites.We will all look and think "No way can he be higher than the guy in my team/favourite".But like i said that is largely based on prejudiced views of where and when we see certain riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariusz Dubi Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 It certainly isn't easy to rank so many riders as Delgado has. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My ranking is grasping about 700 speedway riders and there is a given only TOP100 on the web-side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariusz Dubi Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Edit: MD it might be easier if you say which results in particular you're after, maybe chronologically, or ones you already have, then people might be able to help. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I mean speedway meetings which are being played now - today, tomorrow, next week, next month, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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