Hans Andersen

[Saint Rob]

So Hans got beat by Scotty in heat 25 which denied Denmark the title. Does this mean all the whingers who live in the past claiming that Hans 'shut off' in 2004 are gonna stop whinging about it as 'justice' has been done????

[garf]

So Hans got beat by Scotty in heat 25 which denied Denmark the title. Does this mean all the whingers who live in the past claiming that Hans 'shut off' in 2004 are gonna stop whinging about it as 'justice' has been done????

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It was actually not due to the fact that he ended up behind "the beggar" we lost the title. It was because he ended up behind Gollob.

[Philip Addison]

So Hans got beat by Scotty in heat 25 which denied Denmark the title. Does this mean all the whingers who live in the past claiming that Hans 'shut off' in 2004 are gonna stop whinging about it as 'justice' has been done????

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Well i tend to agree with your fellow Pirate Steve Shovlar when he says ' What goes around, comes around' How true this saying is. How ironic it should be Scott Nicholls in Heat 25 and that it was the Danes who needed it this time and a certain Mr Andersen. That last heat was.....................perfect

[London Witch]

I really can't see the point in bringing Scott Nicholls into this thread other than to have yet another pointless dig at Hans. All that happened in heat 25 was that the Danes lost the SWC by three points rather than two and Team GB got a very creditable - not - 15 points rather than 14. Hardly payback was it! ?

[tigerblues]

I agree with Hans, I only watched the final yesterday as it was taped and it was very suspicious what the Poles did (as well as the Aussies and us but he didn't seem too bothered, we were so far behind I think Team GB are still on about heat 11 ) and I'd be a bit annoyed if I was Hans too but come on Hans, the Danes are hardly the cleansed ones are they!?

 

"What goes around, comes around"

[ha en bra födelsedag]

The Poles did cheat, they managed to manipulate the rules to bring in their reserve to replace a non-scoring rider. They had broken the rules, so both aussie and gb brought in their reserve. Although Poland did cheat, how about they learn from this and maybe change the rules allowing the reserve to be used like in a normal league meeting?

 

I was at the meeting, and my family have always been big followers of the wtc. However, i have always thought it could be made better by having the format in the shape of a four team tournament. i.e. not individual riders in a race. Six riders in a team, each team has 3 pairs. These pairs rider against other pairs.

This would make the competition have more of a 'team' feel. It could stop the big gaps between the scorelines aswell.

 

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[scotty2hotty]

The Poles did cheat, they managed to manipulate the rules to bring in their reserve to replace a non-scoring rider. They had broken the rules, so both aussie and gb brought in their reserve. Although Poland did cheat, how about they learn from this and maybe change the rules allowing the reserve to be used like in a normal league meeting?

 

I was at the meeting, and my family have always been big followers of the wtc. However, i have always thought it could be made better by having the format in the shape of a four team tournament. i.e. not individual riders in a race. Six riders in a team, each team has 3 pairs. These pairs rider against other pairs.

This would make the competition have more of a 'team' feel. It could stop the big gaps between the scorelines aswell.

 

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I agree with you, I think 2 pairs in each race is a much better idea. Like you say, it makes more of a team feel to the event and would hopefully encourage team riding and as you say would make it a closer event.

I also feel that it should be held on a neutral track for everybody. I know this would prove difficult and also you need a big stadium for the large crowd, but how about as I said previously, having it at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff the day after the Grand Prix. It makes sense, people are already there for the GP and yes riders who competed in the GP would have already ridden it, but at least a couple from each nation would have ridden it, so it is fairer.

The thing is, that having the Final at big sweeping tracks, basically the result is determined on outright speed, not on racing skill. I would much prefer to see all riders on similar machines going hammer and tong with great racing, rather than seeing one or two nations with far superior machinery winning by half a lap.

Although England and Australia failed miserably at the World Cup, we all know that they are better than that and I believe was not a true reflection of their capabilities. Speedway seems to be becoming very political, we all knew months ago, the Poles would win. I will be very interested to see how the likes of Gollob and Hampel etc do at Prague without their special machinery.

[Subedei]

Tomasz Gollob has more racing skill in a cutting off his toe nail than Messrs Harris, Stead, Nicholls, Kennett, Richardson and Allen have in their combined beings.

[sunnset]

Yes Hans might have got a bit hot under the collar but come on if a rider has an injury that forces him to pull out of a meeting then how can he rider the following evening.

 

And the only other thing to say is that, Hans did a real nice thing this year for Garry Stead so give him a little bit slack.

[stevehone]

I will be very interested to see how the likes of Gollob and Hampel etc do at Prague without their special machinery.

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why do you think they had 'special' machinery?

spent time on it ... maybe

spent money on it ... maybe

set it up better ... probably

able to ride it better ... hmmm

 

Denmark were quick too, did they have 'special' machinery?

[Mateusz]

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I also feel that it should be held on a neutral track for everybody. I know this would prove difficult and also you need a big stadium for the large crowd, but how about as I said previously, having it at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff the day after the Grand Prix. (...)

Ye, that would be very neutral

Just don't say that Cardiff is in Wales.

 

I will be very interested to see how the likes of Gollob and Hampel etc do at Prague without their special machinery.

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I won't be very interested 'cause I know it's very likely they won't do well, the same as in most GPs recently. All this theories about special bikes bought by the Polish Motorcycle Federation especially for the SWC just make me laugh! They don't care about speedway at all. No way they provided any special engines or whatever to the Polish team. We were just perfectly set-up for this track, that's it. Unlike the British riders who couldn't find lines at the track and proper set-ups for this extremely wide track (comparing to British ones). And I'm sure we're gonna have a similar story, just the other way round, if SWC is held in GB next year - Poles struggling to keep inside and Brits flying like at Coventry.

 

PS. And yes, there's also something called a will to win. The boys were just desperate to win this in front of the fantastic, over 20 thousand crowd.

Edited July 24, 2007 by Mateusz

[The Third Man]

The thing is, that having the Final at big sweeping tracks, basically the result is determined on outright speed, not on racing skill.

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so its not skillful to ride a bike on a big track??

 

its jsut as skillful to ride a big SPEED way track as a small speedway track, justv a different sort of skill,

Edited July 24, 2007 by The Third Man

[stevehone]

so its not skillful to ride a bike on a big track??

 

its jsut as skillful to ride a big SPEED way track as a small speedway track, justv a different sort of skill,

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she's saying that the riders just twisted the throttle and shut their eyes ... no skill whatsoever was needed to make any of the moves that were made

[orion]

Tomasz Gollob has more racing skill in a cutting off his toe nail than Messrs Harris, Stead, Nicholls, Kennett, Richardson and Allen have in their combined beings.

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On big tracks he has on small tracks harris and nicholls have much more skill .

[scotty2hotty]

she's saying that the riders just twisted the throttle and shut their eyes ... no skill whatsoever was needed to make any of the moves that were made

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No Steve, that is not what I'm saying at all. All I'm saying is that if you have the power AND the talent of course you will win. Tomasz Gollob is one of the finest riders I have ever had the pleasure to watch, on his day. All I'm saying is, give all the riders the same speed machinery and the talent will always shine through.

[Subedei]

On big tracks he has on small tracks harris and nicholls have much more skill .

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Which is, presumably, why Gollob made the final of the GP at Copenhagen and neither Harris or Nicholls did.

[Silver Bee]

Tomasz Gollob has more racing skill in a cutting off his toe nail than Messrs Harris, Stead, Nicholls, Kennett, Richardson and Allen have in their combined beings.

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I assume you're joking?

[Subedei]

I assume you're joking?

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No.

Judging from Saturday, without Brian Andersen hovering around him, Harris is nothing.

[Guest chris26]

hans is a top man

 

love or hate him, at least he performs consistently in Grand Prix's, unlike Mr Gollob who either goes like the wind (if the track is to his liking) or thinks sod it (if the track is rubbish according to him)

[stevehone]

All I'm saying is, give all the riders the same speed machinery and the talent will always shine through.

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ok, so are you thinking that the Poles and Danes were using 600cc machines compared to England's 500cc?

 

as far as i'm aware, they were all mounted on 500cc engines, but if one or two nations want to win a competition more than others then they will put more time and effort into what they have.

 

yes, i like the idea of everyone being on standard equipment and the cream will shine through, but it aint going to happen ... but then old Scotty N and all the others have as much opportunity to make things better as everyone else in that world cup final, if they choose not to apply it, then so be it.