Trees Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Where do you draw the line between being fair/honest and commerical importance in world speedway? We musn't forget that it's only a commercial company running these two competitions, if it's not working for them, ow well, promoters in GB have to manage with small crowds, cut their cloth accordingly or do the other ............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Well Well Well.....The plot thickens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 I'm sorry but Staechmann is fast losing credibility here. He should be dignified in defeat. The reason Gollob was so poor in Prague was the track surface. Disgraceful comments from Staechmann and he should be heavily fined for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 he then said it was politicaly very important that poland won the swc,speedway is big in poland and speedway needs polish succes!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh my god, how far, far away is the galaxy he come from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I'm sorry but Staechmann is fast losing credibility here. He should be dignified in defeat. The reason Gollob was so poor in Prague was the track surface. Disgraceful comments from Staechmann and he should be heavily fined for them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another point is that it's a well known fact Gollob rides well in Poland anyway, nothing to do with machinery, just talent and track knowledge. I actually agree with this post though, Gollob surely would have done better on a properly prepared track and Stekkers should stop being so bitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I'm sorry but Staechmann is fast losing credibility here. He should be dignified in defeat. The reason Gollob was so poor in Prague was the track surface. Disgraceful comments from Staechmann and he should be heavily fined for them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why is that ? He is entitled to an opinion like both you and me, I believe he could smell the rotten tricks being made in the pits by the Poles due to his many years in the pits through his own carreer. We surely got robbed! We all do have an opinion about the SWC final, like others had a few years ago, and they will most probably not be the same or just close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Well said Garf, a very sensible posting just because Jan Staechmann has said things that others were thinking, yes he's the manager and therefore should be a bit more diplomatic but..... in the heat of the moment he was angry and obviously disappointed. Now after watching the WTC and thinking Jeeeeeeesus them Poles are fast and then watching Gollob in the SGP a little while later, I can't help but think maybe Mr Staechmann might just might have hit on something here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Well said Garf, a very sensible posting just because Jan Staechmann has said things that others were thinking, yes he's the manager and therefore should be a bit more diplomatic but...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed. There's a statement at dmusport.dk posted on monday or tuesday. With my swedish it was an apology by dmu and stekkers regarding this incident. garf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staechmann Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Speedway: Comments to allegations by JP article. Regarding the (Danish newspaper) Jyllands-Posten article published today (31 July) by journalist Dan Phillipsen: “Danish Coach claims World Cup winners have cheated”, Danmarks Motor Union wish to announce the following: Danmarks Motor Union are not of the opinion that there are grounds for alleging the Polish team won the Speedway World Cup by cheating. All procedures in connection with the protest of the Polish bikes were followed, and Danmarks Motor Union have no objections in connection with the result of the technical investigations. Likewise there are no grounds to allege that a Polish technical controller (delegate) has been impartial in connection with the inspection of the Polish bikes, nor that an FIM delegate had allegedly been inebriated during the inspection of the bikes. Finally, Danmarks Motor Union are not of the opinion that political interests allegedly had any influence on the outcome of the Speedway World Cup in Leszno, Poland, 21st July 2007. Danmarks Motor Union clearly take distance from the comments made by Team Manager Jan Stæchmann in the way in which they have been reported in the Jyllands-Posten article. There has been no reason to suggest such misinterpretations as have been reported, in connection with the events that led to the Polish World Cup victory. The DMU have made this very clear to Jan Stæchmann. -------------------------------------------- National Speedway Coach Jan Stæchmann wishes to add comment to the aforementioned article as follows: “In yesterdays JP article by Dan Phillipsen my comments stand more categorical than I ever meant for them to be” “At the World Cup final in Leszno we had suspicions that two of the bikes the Poles were using were not as per regulations. As is mentioned in the article, I lodged a protest at the end of the meeting. During the checking of the bikes, which was carried out according to the regulations by a Polish examiner, as well as being witnessed by a British FIM delegate, nothing criticisable was found, and this does not come across clearly in the article. In other words there are no suggestions of an aftermath – which is naturally why I (wish to) regret the controversy that can result based on the article” “My comment that a FIM delegate was inebriated is based on an impression shared by several on the day. This is obviously a claim which cannot possible be proven, and therefore should never have been uttered” “At the same time I would like to reiterate that my comments that this was “politically” a good victory have been taken out of context. I want to reiterate that my comments are not to be interpreted in any other way than this year’s victory for Poland is good for international speedway. Poland is one of the absolute biggest speedway nations, and the victory is therefore important so that Polish Speedway can continue the fair wind the sport has been enjoying for several years”. “Finally I would like to mention that the speedway season presently is at a hectic time, where the Danish riders are amongst the very best in the world. Constant high stakes and the adrenalin is flowing. Everyone involved with the World Cup in Leszno have their private or collective opinions of the events which were brought to light in the article. But fact is that the result is final and yours truly acknowledges a fine Polish evening on their hometrack”. -------------------------------- Press release DMU -------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Now after watching the WTC and thinking Jeeeeeeesus them Poles are fast and then watching Gollob in the SGP a little while later, I can't help but think maybe Mr Staechmann might just might have hit on something here <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe it's the opposite for the Brits. Jeeesus them Brits are slow and then watching Nicholls in the SGP a little while later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 So the original article was a bit of selective reporting from the writer. Thank you for the translation. Regarding the statement of someone being under the influence on the job. The only way to react is to call the police and take a breath analyzer test. The rules (over here anyway) say that a rider has to give it. If he doesnt he's declining to give a doping test and appropriate actions will follow -> licence revoked for starters. This is not just out of a hat... Same must? go for officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 (edited) Why is that ? He is entitled to an opinion like both you and me, I believe he could smell the rotten tricks being made in the pits by the Poles due to his many years in the pits through his own carreer. We surely got robbed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not an opinion, it's just bullrubbish. You surely can't reconcile with the defeat and it's become even more pathetic. On the other hand, it's been making me more and more satisfied with this victory over your team and riders who I sincerely hate now. If that FIM representative was really drunk, then why is it our fault? Riders, mechanics or fans kept buying him Lech throughout the whole meeting? And why did Staechmann mention this so late? If that's true, he should've done something with this just after the meeting, shouldn't he? Bikes examination proved nothing illegal. At the meetings like SGP and SWC all bikes are fueled from the same drum and then refueled after each heat. So how on earth could Poles run on a special methanol? Tell me. It's easy to accuse, harder to prove anything, isn't it? Don't be surprised at not being welcomed warmly in Poland next time. For me and other fans you're finished here, at least for some time.. Edited August 2, 2007 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Maybe it's the opposite for the Brits. Jeeesus them Brits are slow and then watching Nicholls in the SGP a little while later. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep but difference being Gollobs Team won the SWC, Scott came last in the Final just like the Brits in the SWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Yep but difference being Gollobs Team won the SWC, Scott came last in the Final just like the Brits in the SWC <{POST_SNAPBACK}> See, this way I can say that Brits must have cheated at Coventry as they were so damn fast there comparing to their pathetic performance at Leszno.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 yeah alright! might have something to do with home track advantage don't you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 yeah alright! might have something to do with home track advantage don't you think <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly! That's what I've been saying from the very beginning of this discussion! Poles were perfectly set up for the Leszno track but so were Danes later on. They won most races in the 4th series of heats. As for Gollob in Prague. No one understands that guy. He can be brilliant or totally rubbish.. Certainly his time has passed by and I've got used to it. Hampel and Holta did great in both Leszno and Prague, unlike Gollob. So comparing his performace in both meetings and then building all these conspiracy theories doesn't make much sense really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 and then building all these conspiracy theories doesn't make much sense really. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it's called clutching at straws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 it's called clutching at straws <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct. The Danes are sore losers. Prefer to come 4th and accept it than come 2nd and moan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Correct. The Danes are sore losers. Prefer to come 4th and accept it than come 2nd and moan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ain't we done that in the past.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 So comparing his performace in both meetings and then building all these conspiracy theories doesn't make much sense really. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it's called clutching at straws <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not clutching at straws I just can't understand how he can do so well in the SWC but so badly in the GP. Is it an adrenelin thing, difference in tracks or something totally different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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