Crump99 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Don't forget he ef when he was 3rd nice that you put a 0 down i thought he was gb best rider by miles . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> even you're struggling for a positive so that shows how bad we were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Steve You really are a positive little bunny aint ya........Tell you what in 3 or 4 years time if Team GB are still struggling ...come back to me and tell me you told me so.....but until that time...how bout we try and be positive......Can you give me a big list of Danes coming through....How is the Danish league going....What about the Poles...When was there last individual World Champion.....We dont do too bad you know....We still have the best league structure in the World......i am sure some will laugh at that...but you can go to Speedway any day of the week....How cool is that.....You can watch the top GP Stars....or you can watch Under 15's... I love it jaybea Ps.....You do realise it was 40 years before Kings Lynn won a major trophy...and now look......Cant stop winning them....But when they do stop...who will you support then....Man Utd :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masked_rooster Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hi. Well I'm new to this forum, but been watching speeday a long time, used to ride grasstrack, and know a bit about engines. I've also had the chance to talk to current riders and their advisors about engines and know what they do (and don't do) to set up. The team performance on Saturday was down to them not knowing how to set up for the conditions. Middlo was probably right that they didn't have the power - most of them wouldn't realise until they're on a real horsepower track and against top opposition - like in the WC final. Even in a Polish league match, they may only have one or two rides against 3 other top riders - its easy to ignore if it goes badly. This was a wake up call for those guys. I'm not sure who was in the pits for any of the teams, but there is only so much can be done if the basic power is missing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so what your saying is that Brian Andersen who is in the Harris camp cant set or tune an engine up for the big fast tracks with his vast league and Gp experience!. And how are our riders scoring ok in league meetings against Hampel,Gollob Anderssen,Pedersen,Crump and Adams on a weekly basis. Simple it was tosh Middlo knows it and the riders know it But hey if Nichols and Bomber do well in czecho gp all will be forgotten and forgiven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 (edited) Steve You really are a positive little bunny aint ya........Tell you what in 3 or 4 years time if Team GB are still struggling ...come back to me and tell me you told me so.....but until that time...how bout we try and be positive......Can you give me a big list of Danes coming through....How is the Danish league going....What about the Poles...When was there last individual World Champion.....We dont do too bad you know....We still have the best league structure in the World......i am sure some will laugh at that...but you can go to Speedway any day of the week....How cool is that.....You can watch the top GP Stars....or you can watch Under 15's... I love it jaybea Ps.....You do realise it was 40 years before Kings Lynn won a major trophy...and now look......Cant stop winning them....But when they do stop...who will you support then....Man Utd :-) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i grew up supporting Wimbledon home and away at speedway and football so can't really be classed as a glory hunter, and certainly won't be shouting for the red scum at any point, AFC Wimbledon yes, red scum no. if you want a list of Danes coming through, look at Speedway Star pages 48, 49, and 50 and take yer pick, and while you're there, make note of some Poles and Swedes too ... by the way, you won't find any English there for some reason. i'm quite happy watching league racing, but when it comes to international success England are struggling somewhat ... the world cup is a team event and the fact that England struggle so much does that mean that they go into the competition as individuals, unlike the Swedes, Poles, and Danes? what the team needs is a completely different outlook to the 2 meetings per year that England are in ... management, 2 or 3 people to run it. one there as a people person, a motivator, another there to look after anything in the background for making sure the riders don't get unnecessary hassle, and another for the tactics ... maybe even someone like Michael Lee there in the pits as an advisor for engine setups and technical issues. its not like its a full time job for all those people, the world cup is one week in the year. Edited July 23, 2007 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Steve Its a fair point....But can you explain how one of the worlds best engine tuners could not tune an engine for Chris Harris on Saturday.....it all stinks to me im afraid....big time As for glory hunting...Im a Spurs fan so i feel your pain :-) jaybea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 For me, it's a definite that SGB have to make sure that we don't have another performance in Poland in a WTC like the one our boys put in Leszno, questions have to be asked and answered don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Well we were stuffed well and truely, okay there are lessons to be learned, and I don't know whether we will be hosting the Final next year, but if we are I hope that we speak to the riders that we have then we need to ask our own riders how they want the track setting up. Other nations do it, and I fed of us been too nice and setting up fair tracks when nobody does the same. I also think that it is time to say a big thank you to the nice man Middlo, and ask him to take over the Under 21 team. I think that it is time to tell him that he has taken them as far as he can, and time for someone else to have a go. Who do we ask to do it, well for me it is a two man job, I reckon we need a old head who has been there and has a vast experience, for me that man is Eric Boocock, if Eric does not want it then what about the Smiling Peter Adams, with the experienced man I would have a rider coach to go with him, and this would be a younger man, my choice would be either Havvy, Mark Loram or an outsider Martin Dugard. I think that we need to see us put our faith in the youth that we have within our system, we need to too start to introduce the likes of Bridger, Woffineden and put exta faith in the likes of Eddie Kennett. What we don't need is when putting together the British Final, letting the likes of Chris Louis and Havvy into the British Final, we need to encouraging riders for the future. I reckon we can win the WTC, in the future, but this could take about another 5 years, we need to start looking into the youth of what we have and invest time and money on them, this is what the Danes have done and they have reaped the benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 It seems obvious to me that the Poles and, possibly the Danes, had super equipment that was by far superior to the machinery ridden by the British and the Aussies. Personally I'm not convinced this is down to individual riders but a case of someone getting on the case and sorting the sides out with that equipment. This, presumably, comes from the respective federations or sponsorship. No way could you expect riders like Ed Kennett and Simon Stead to turn up at the meeting with machinery to match the bikes the Poles were on. It was almost painful to watch Kennett gong down the back straight and looking to his right as two riders were able to cruise past as though he wasn't there. That machinery the Poles were on came due to someone making damn sure they had it, I wouldn't mind guessing. Nobody made sure the British team turned up with competitive bikes. You can blame the riders if you like, or the team manager, but it was probably down to financial input. The reason Leigh Adams is able to beat those riders week in and week out on that track normally is probably because normally they would be on similar equipment. Britain were, basically, like amateurs compared to the Poles and the Danes. They reminded me of those PL teams that turn up at Sheffield and get completely outclassed because they don't have "Sheffield" machinery because it's too expensive for just one meeting a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 You're right Grachan it was painful and humiliating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Maybe while the British team were sightseeing in Poznan, the Poles were burning the midnight oil working on their bikes and engines. The difference between the Poles on Thursday and the Poles on Saturday was amazing - they were on super-charged engines in the final. I doubt their mechanics had much sleep between Thursday and Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 But can you explain how one of the worlds best engine tuners could not tune an engine for Chris Harris on Saturday<{POST_SNAPBACK}> he's a Dane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Peter Johns apart what british tuners do we have that tune world class machinery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 he's a Dane <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Might be right there Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 he is right Brian Andersen is definetly a dane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 he is right Brian Andersen is definetly a dane! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh that is what he mean't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I think that Britain and Australia will return too many zeros to win it. Its between Poland and Denmark for me with Poland just sneaking it. GB for the wooden spoon I fear. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Poland are cheats Makes me sick. Wonder if his illness will be cured in time to ride in Poland tomorrow <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does anybody know if he rode yesterday. he didn't look ill at the presentations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 (edited) Does anybody know if he rode yesterday. he didn't look ill at the presentations <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Walasek? Yes, he did and scored 7+1 from 6 rides. Chris Holder also raced (11 from 5) though Eddie Kennett did not. Edited July 23, 2007 by Schumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 It seems obvious to me that the Poles and, possibly the Danes, had super equipment that was by far superior to the machinery ridden by the British and the Aussies. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you really think so? Just where did the Poles get this super machinery from i wonder?And why was it only delivered on the day,because they didn't use it in the two previous meetings.And i can't quite believe that Crump + Adams don't also have machinery every bit as good as the Poles and Danes.The Danes did improve as the meeting went on.Was that due to some better technical adjustments?But the big surprise was just how much the Poles improved and i can understand questions being asked about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beesboybert Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Well that's the biggest farce of a competition over for this year. No one except the Poles were going to win in Poland. As Iris says, you do have to question how they improved so dramatically over just 2 days. The good thing to come out of it was I had money on them to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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