iris123 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Iris Nicki does it over and over again though....he sometimes makes up 2 places by causing carnage behind him.....You very rarely see Crump...Leigh or even Hans do that...You watch next GP...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah whatever In fact,and my memory might not be as good as i think,but the one move i did think was cynical was from Hans i think in the last heat.Looked like he tried to sweep Gollob into the fence but was way too slow.Missed a fair bit of the meeting,but that was the one i saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Naturally I couldn't do a better job of managing the national team than Neil Middleditch does. However, my pseudo-angelic friend, I do not purport to be an international speedway team manager. I assume Mr Middleditch does, otherwise why would he have accepted the job. I believe Middleditch has been unable to guide successive groups of riders to any real success during his tenure as manager. In fairness to the man perhaps you would [could] list on this thread full details, with dates, of the trophies or other honours the national team has won under his reign as team manager. I await your reply with interest. Ron. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeh, and you tell me what you would do to solve the imediate problem then!. Await your reply with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matousek Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 this was the best match for years, and when you saw it showed how poor overally uk racing is. Passing and re passing, brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Errrrrrrr not some Steve all of your comments regarding Ed, Ed is a lot younger than you at what age did you represent your country at this level when you were riding?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> funny actually, when i have an argument that someone can't argue with they make a comment either about my riding or my photography Sharron, Edward Kennett around big tracks was terrible, like i said, no good winning a meeting at Rye House and looking great if the next round is on a big Polish track. he certainly seemed to be improving though so maybe there's something to build on, but to be honest, he should have left Rye House sooner than he did and gone to a bigger track to adapt his skills. how many times did you actually see him at Rye House? once or twice? then how many times did you see him at a big track like Kings Lynn? ever? if you are going to be a good international rider, for whatever country, you need to master the big Polish tracks ... for a start you know there will always be round of the world cup in Poland, and you know they will have 2 GP's every year. don't get too many of them around a Rye House size track. if people can't understand that, and Barney can't see that, then maybe he has the wrong advisors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 if you are going to be a good international rider, for whatever country, you need to master the big Polish tracks ... for a start you know there will always be round of the world cup in Poland, and you know they will have 2 GP's every year. Well that's a definite! Take that one step further, are our comparatively small british tracks hindering our rider's international careers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) Well that's a definite! Take that one step further, are our comparatively small british tracks hindering our rider's international careers? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Could it be more the attitude in British speedway rather than the tracks?The general ignoring what is happening in the outside world.Like Steve said,no competitors in the 80cc World Championships.We have only just started this year to enter riders in the Euro U19 competition.No team entered into the European Club Championship,where the clubs are often made up for that competition so we could send a Poole team made up of a few young brits who are contracted to the club for the day i guess.And so on........ Another thing that struck me was reading an interview with Stekkers.He was saying there was no point in having a test match against the Polish U21s in Denmark.Nothing would be learnt from beating them.The riders would learn far more from going to Poland and getting beaten there.That is an attitude not found in Britain i would say.What do they ever do with the youngsters? Edited July 22, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Could it be more the attitude in British speedway rather than the tracks?The general ignoring what is happening in the outside world.Like Steve said,no competitors in the 80cc World Championships.We have only just started this year to enter riders in the Euro U19 competition.No team entered into the European Club Championship,where the clubs are often made up for that competition so we could send a Poole team made up of a few young brits who are contracted to the club for the day i guess.And so on........ Another thing that struck me was reading an interview with Stekkers.He was saying there was no point in having a test match against the Polish U21s in Denmark.Nothing would be learnt from beating them.The riders would learn far more from going to Poland and getting beaten there.That is an attitude not found in Britain i would say.What do they ever do with the youngsters? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Iris123, I believe that you have hit the nail on the head exactly. I do have a bit of an opinion on one of the guys in the GB team who doesn't seem to be going about things in the right way (in my opinion). The first time I realised that he had an attitude problem was a few years ago when an U15 team went to Germany, but he didn't go, reportedly because they weren't paying enough. This year at least he has moved to a larger ( if not slicker) track than he had been on previously, and then elects not to do the SGP qualifiers - I really don't understand that. The British attitude was made very clear in the interviews in the press during the past week. All of the other teams were looking for a win. The interviews that I have seen with the GB boys suggested that they would be happy with a 'top 3' place. Were we beaten before we went ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 watch it Rusky, you'll have Shazzybird and Barney Kennett after you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Our time will come.......dont worry bout that jaybea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) Yeh, and you tell me what you would do to solve the imediate problem then!. Await your reply with interest. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I apologise if I'm boring anyone by repeating what I've already stated, but He of the Firmamental Multitude does not appear to understand what I meant when I input the following: "I do not purport to be an international speedway team manager. I assume Mr Middleditch does" .............etc Ron. Edited July 22, 2007 by Ron Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekee Raylee Monkee Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Summed up very well. Bearing in mind that GB is supposed to be the 4th richest nation in the world it is staggering how poorly we perform in all aspects of sport, along with, just about everything else. Speedway, merely, slots into the norm. If you want to create a series of competitions in which we excel then select from:- teenage pregnancies obesity alcoholism divorce illiteracy political correctness texting We could do quite well in these as long as it does not become too competitive! I say we start a lobby to make these Olympic Sports! I don't see what sacking Middlo - as some have suggested would achieve. Who else could he have picked? (Although Eddie Kennett is not known as a big track rider). With all due respect an impartial look at the names on all the team sheets in the competition tells its own story. Winning the Coventry meeting was very enjoyable for us Brits - but look at the opposition. Sweden were without AJ and to all intents Lindback (not that he's been much to worry about), The US of Hancock and them 'darn Roosky's. Saturday was always going to be another world. The GB team manager - whoever it is - cannot compensate for years of neglect in the development of young riders by British speedway. Recent inititatives will take some years to really bear fruit - but in any event other countries like Denmark & Poland will continue to develop the systems they have already embedded for the development of young riders. The recent trend in British teams - not helped by many fans demands for instant success - means continual chopping & changing of teams with many riders not being given a chance to develop as they are replaced by foreign riders. If we don't look after our own, no other bugger will. I'm sure that the GB boys tried their hardest and the result merely reflects the reality of the speedway pecking order. The challenge for the BSPA is what will be done to improve things - assuming they want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekee Raylee Monkee Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 And another thing !!! They really must get rid of the aptly named Joker - or at the very least play the theme from its a knockout every time a start line girl parades the damn thing & sign up Stuart Hall for the commentary............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Steve and Star Lady Why do you insist on saying...that Team GB have no will to win or No Team Spirit......The cameras hardly showed the Team GB team last night .....or could you see things that we dont.......The Danes have team spirit...superb....Everyone has Team Spirit when they are winning...Neither of you like the riders who ride for Team GB...so why bother commenting...because even had they have won there would have been some negative come from you......By the way i believe Walasek was pulled out because he crapped himself after Nicki yet again lost control while overriding and only because of Walaseks skill did he not end up over the fence....When do you think Nicki will actually cause a big injury.. jaybea <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I insist on saying it because it's my opinion, to which I am entitled. In exactly the same way as you are entitled to insist that just about any move Nicki P makes isn't good. I also said in the shots they showed of Team GB, didn't say how many. The Aussies team spirit was superb and they weren't winning...or did I miss something As a matter of fact I do like some Team GB riders. I have liked Chris Harris since his CL days, I've liked Olly Allen since he rode for Lynn. I don't like Scott Nicholls but he is only one of five, the same as Nicki is one of five Danes I'm not a fan of Richardson or Stead. Kennett I can take or leave. You are not a fan of Nicki P but it hasn't stopped you commenting has it. See a common thread yet Our time will come.......dont worry bout that jaybea <{POST_SNAPBACK}> how many years have you been saying that now? Read the posts by Iris and Rusky, then wake up and smell the coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Star Lady Why do you insist on having a go at Team GB for being negative about the fact that they said they wanted to get a place on the rostrum...then you yourself are so negative about the future......I have read Rusky and Iris's points ...and they have good points ...but i am afraid these things go in cycles.....and as i said our time will come...........in the 70's we had a great team....80's usa had a great team.....Our team is not as bad as the performance on Saturday.....Nor is Australia's..... And for your information i have not been saying this for years....the only thing i have said is that i believe GB's fortunes have gone downhill since Foreign riders were allowed in the Premier League....thanks to Rye House As for not liking Nicki Pedersen....wrong again.....Superb rider....exciting to watch...But like yourself Star Lady i dont like to see riders getting injured...and some of the moves he makes coming out of the 2nd bend are dangerous.......very similar to his brother in that respect......I hope he wins the world title...because he has been by far the most consistant rider.....even thouggh he has had a chronic and recurring stomach complaint jaybea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbs_77 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Crikey its like a war zone on here at the moment At the end of the day Poland won and great britain were crap and came last. To be honest it wasnt that big a surprise. Perhaps the best way to find out why gb were so bad is to simply ask the riders when you see them in their next league matches (as we all know bomber etc has fast kit) why they were so slow and maybe we might have some answers!!! After all just because we dont have an 80cc league for the kids at present it didnt make a blind bit diference to how we rode last night as we know at least two of our riders are in the gps and can ride with the best and also why their bikes seemed so slow. Just a suggestion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 watch it Rusky, you'll have Shazzybird and Barney Kennett after you! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Our time will come.......dont worry bout that jaybea <{POST_SNAPBACK}> England last won the world cup in 1989, and possibly only won that because of horrible misfortune, and last won it prior to that in 1980 ... just how many years are you going to be saying 'our time will come'? England are supposed to be a 'top' speedway nation but that sort of record is indefensible, it's just not good enough. the rot had started before Jens Rasmussen and that German were allowed into the National League at Rye House, but i have to say, since then it has certainly made things harder. what needs to be done, and it's been said before many times, is get back to grass roots, start kids young, and don't price them out of the sport before they get to shine. get kids riding, give them the chance to ride, and don't make stupid rules to stop them. last year the Cardiff GP should have had Lewis Bridger in as reserve, but the FIM ruling was that he was too young even though he was riding against the worlds best week in week out. another thing that hasn't helped is the decline in grasstrack in the UK. so many good speedway riders used to learn their trade in schoolboy grasstrack before moving onto speedway and becoming successful, but where is grasstrack going now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 another thing that hasn't helped is the decline in grasstrack in the UK. so many good speedway riders used to learn their trade in schoolboy grasstrack before moving onto speedway and becoming successful, but where is grasstrack going now? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> and for further proof, look at the two British GP riders and the last British World Champion. All grasstrackers as kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigsby Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 England last won the world cup in 1989, and possibly only won that because of horrible misfortune, and last won it prior to that in 1980 ... just how many years are you going to be saying 'our time will come'? England are supposed to be a 'top' speedway nation but that sort of record is indefensible, it's just not good enough. the rot had started before Jens Rasmussen and that German were allowed into the National League at Rye House, but i have to say, since then it has certainly made things harder. what needs to be done, and it's been said before many times, is get back to grass roots, start kids young, and don't price them out of the sport before they get to shine. get kids riding, give them the chance to ride, and don't make stupid rules to stop them. last year the Cardiff GP should have had Lewis Bridger in as reserve, but the FIM ruling was that he was too young even though he was riding against the worlds best week in week out. another thing that hasn't helped is the decline in grasstrack in the UK. so many good speedway riders used to learn their trade in schoolboy grasstrack before moving onto speedway and becoming successful, but where is grasstrack going now? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Walasek really came over his injury quick, as he was riding quite wll tonight in Poland. He is just a big cheat, and I'm biased as hell. Filled up with sour grapes. And yes, I know it so don't bother to tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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