Speedy swindon pete Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 typical of the POOLE/GB manager. What biased rubbish. Howe is 3rd best brit - so he has earned a full call up. Have to disagree - he was NOT outclassed at Cardiff! He didnt finish last overall and he past riders and tried in 3 races. Thats NOT outclassed Doubt stead OR kennett would have acored much more as it happens. Kennett is not ready yet - however i agree he should get a chance. But as 4th or 5th choice. WHY OH WHY is lere richardson in? its no wonder we never get anywhere if we continue to use those who have proved they cant cut it on the big stage. YES YES i know - the WTC seems to be richos crowning glory. That surely is the only reason he is in. I believe thats a backward step to take. Its the side i expected Middlo would pick - but for him to say Kennett `picked himself1 - funny , id say the same thing about howe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Typical of a Wolves/David Howe fan and Richardson knocker anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Actually, the last two posts are typical of people that won't support the Brits. David has had a great season, did a respectable job in the GP, and has a good record at Brandon. He just has to beleive in himself more. Sadly for the Brits I think he lets comments such as many on here affect him too much. He always reflects on the negatives, and never seems to give himself a pat on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Whatever the team, I'll support my country..... C'Mon Team GB. Why don't some of those knocking the team get behind the boys instead of doing them down all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I think that the key to this side is Lee Richardson, who over the years has rode well for Team GB, even though his form has not been great. Maybe the reason for putting David Howe at reserve is that we have a rider on form at the moment who can come in and take over anyone who is not on form. As for his performance as the wildcard on Saturday iI thought that David Howe did really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I think Howe lost his place in the GP Qualifier in Italy. He really should have qualified in that considering the quality of rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) Howe is 3rd best brit - so he has earned a full call up... WHY OH WHY is Lee Richardson in? It's no wonder we never get anywhere if we continue to use those who have proved they cant cut it on the big stage. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve, you really are losing all credibility with this constant bickering about Lee Richardson. Can you not just take an objective view? You are right that Howe deserves his chance this year, as indeed I stated in my original post, so no argument there. However to back up your case by stating that he is "3rd best Brit" and then launch into an assault on this year's "4th best Brit" is a contradiction in terms. According to Steve Turner's excellent stats, this season's figures for the top Brits in the Elite League are as follows: Nicholls 9.41, Harris 9.28, Howe 8.43, Richardson 8.35, Louis 7.87, Kennett 7.67, Screen 7.37, Stead 7.12. It seems blindingly obvious to me that we should therefore go with the Top 4 in the stats; and as Steve Shovlar states, also include Kennett because of his undoubted potential for the future. That just leaves the choice of reserve, and if Stead is the best of those stated at Brandon then he seems a fair shout. Allen would also clearly do a job on his own patch, although probably not in Poland. At the end of the day we should walk the home meeting anyway, although I get the feeling that whatever Rico scores won't be enough in your eyes, and that Howe would clearly have done better. Go GB. Edited July 4, 2007 by Seb the Snail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Okay, so Lee Richardson can't cut it on the "big stage"? Well, as far as I can recall, during the seasons 2004, 2005 and 2006, Lee Richardson made two appearances in GP finals, while the great Scott Nicholls made just one. And to the best of my knowledge it was Lee Richardson that performed outstandingly well in the 2005 SWC and was the only rider to beat Tomasz Gollob in the final. Coventry is a former home track of Lee Richardson and he performs well in Poland - it would be lunacy not to have Lee Richardson in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hamilton Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I think to be fair, Middlo has got it about right as we should really be going with in-form riders. A few weeks ago Lee richardson would not have got into the top ten but in recent weeks has shown i lot more enthusiasm and I just hope he proves it in the SWC and not turn in one of his moody & petulant performances. I know eddie is not fantastic around Brandon but he is maturing every meeting and is well worth a shot. Pity Lewis Bridger did not get a call but in terms of form he has been a little indifferent of late> Come on Team GB!!! Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Steve it's down to potential, and Eddie has it in bucketloads. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve there is no disputing that Ed has potential, thats obvious. IM disputing wether he is ready for the WTC. Middlo said he would pick riders on form. Howe IS still averaging more than kennett and has chosen not to do the GP qualifiers, which david did and should get reward for that. Stead is way off form, so its hard to fathom Middlos logic. Cut it on the big stage richardson record in world cups is better than any other brit also he came 2nd and 3rd in a gp is world under 21 champ and a elrc winner . What has howe done on the big stage ? score 4 in a gp only because the other riders hit some ruts and got knock by pl riders in gp round last weekend . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes, i did say thats IS his specialism. And thats probably the reason why he has been picked. You did read the post didnt you??!! what has kennett or stead done on the big stage, funny you dont mention them. Steve, you really are losing all credibility with this constant bickering about Lee Richardson. Can you not just take an objective view? You are right that Howe deserves his chance this year, as indeed I stated in my original post, so no argument there. However to back up your case by stating that he is "3rd best Brit" and then launch into an assault on this year's "4th best Brit" is a contradiction in terms. At the end of the day we should walk the home meeting anyway, although I get the feeling that whatever Rico scores won't be enough in your eyes, and that Howe would clearly have done better. Go GB. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Seb, i think i AM taking an objective view!! Why pick out my bickering posts when there are posts bitching about david As always!!! Cant others take an objective view also instead of a biased one????? To explain my `objective view` further then. Too an extent i agree with you with going with the top 4 averaged Brits on paper - they will have earned the right to be considered a top 4 placing. I thought the whole idea of making the British Final credible again was to REWARD those that qualified (one to get the wild card and others to get thru to the GP qualifiers). Howe as 3rd best brit on average you can say DESERVED the wild card and should be, in my opinion , being pushed by the GB mananager. But no, instead he picks his own team rider that doesnt even want to do the GP qualifiers because he isnt ready for it!!! Who says he is ready to face the big stage then on that equation??? Richardson has always come up with the goods on the WTC stage, i grant you and for that reason alone he probably deserves his place (much in the same way that scottie derserves his place in the GPS as being top Brit). However my only worry with lee is that im never convinced that his form is good enough come the start of the WTC - however ive already acknowledged that he HAS stepped up to the plate each year and for that reason ALONE should have a top 5 place. IF and IF middlo is trying to bring the kids or the younger riders on then realistically only scott and bomber should be definates with the likes of kennett, howe and stead as the next generation, allen, king and then bridger as be gaining experience too. by continueing to use Lee , in my opinion, is a backward step for team GB. There is no denying that Lee does still have some quality, however in a team as strong as Swindon he is well supported. It would be interesting to see how he would perform as a main or 2nd heat leader, as he would in some teams on average this season. However likewise id be also interested to see how well Howie would do in the same position as it happens. As for your comment at the end of your post - not at all!! IF Lee scores 12 , top scores and we go thru - ill be very happy yet still suprised. However if david rode and scored 8 and we went thru id be equally happy. It would be nice for Howie to pushed on the big stage for once , especially now he is in the form of his life. But of course that wont stop people from knocking him. See how there are people that will STILL knock him no matter how well he does, no different to people bickering about richardson - dont you think??!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Steve, you make some decent points. We both agree that Howe should have had a chance, and I've almost convinced you that Rico does too, so we'd better quit while we're ahead. You make a good case about the support that Rico currently enjoys at Swindon, but by the same token Howe has also clocked up most of his points with strong backup in the shape of PK, Billy and Freddie at Wolves, so the same statement surely applies? In fairness to Middlo, Rico has also shown some of his best form this year against the Pirates, so I would imagine that he was the first name on the sheet after the 2 Coventry boys. He beat Crump round Blunsdon in the A fixture and then Bjarne in Heat 15 of the next 2 meetings to secure the draw at Poole and the win back at the Abbey. As you mention, he has also shone in previous World Cups. I guess that David just needs to keep up his current form and he's sure to remain in Middlo's thoughts. As an aside, will you be going to the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Cat from Mars Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Nice to see Simon get the nod, I hope it acts as a boost for him and can kick start his season. In all honesty Simon has struggled this year, and the two injuries he's sustained have meant that he hasn't been 100% for any period of time. Brandon is a happy hunting ground for him normally, so fingers crossed he'll do well. I would probably have put Howe in, with Kennett at reserve, but Middlo's the man who has to make the tough decisions, so I'll back the GB Squad 100%. Be interesting to see how the squad would change for Poland, if at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnset Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I think to be fair, Middlo has got it about right as we should really be going with in-form riders.According to Steve Turner's excellent stats, this season's figures for the top Brits in the Elite League are as follows: Nicholls 9.41, Harris 9.28, Howe 8.43, Richardson 8.35, Louis 7.87, Kennett 7.67, Screen 7.37, Stead 7.12. So who are you saying should have got it. got it about right that Stead is there and David is only res????? bit confused as to what you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Bobby Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Scott Nicholls© Chris Harris Edward Kennett Lee Richardson Simon Stead Reserve-David Howe Good selection by Middlo. Howe has proved what everyone thought, that he's not upto it after his performances in the GP qualifier and at Cardiff where he was outclassed. Stead need to pull his finger out though. Fancy us to get through at Cov if Stead performs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd have to say that this is probably our strongest line up, although i might just have been tempted to go with Olly Allen at Coventry. Needless to say that Steady can still do the business and i'm sure he will because he has got quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Bobby Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Steve, you really are losing all credibility with this constant bickering about Lee Richardson. Can you not just take an objective view? You are right that Howe deserves his chance this year, as indeed I stated in my original post, so no argument there. However to back up your case by stating that he is "3rd best Brit" and then launch into an assault on this year's "4th best Brit" is a contradiction in terms. According to Steve Turner's excellent stats, this season's figures for the top Brits in the Elite League are as follows: Nicholls 9.41, Harris 9.28, Howe 8.43, Richardson 8.35, Louis 7.87, Kennett 7.67, Screen 7.37, Stead 7.12. It seems blindingly obvious to me that we should therefore go with the Top 4 in the stats; and as Steve Shovlar states, also include Kennett because of his undoubted potential for the future. That just leaves the choice of reserve, and if Stead is the best of those stated at Brandon then he seems a fair shout. Allen would also clearly do a job on his own patch, although probably not in Poland. At the end of the day we should walk the home meeting anyway, although I get the feeling that whatever Rico scores won't be enough in your eyes, and that Howe would clearly have done better. Go GB. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i agree 100% with this! Richardson is having a good season and deserves his place. I just wonder if David Howe would have got 3rd place in the british final if it wasn't at Monmore Green!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnset Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I just wonder if David Howe would have got 3rd place in the british final if it wasn't at Monmore Green!?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think you'll find he finished 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Stevebrum first quote about rico was "why o why is richardson in the side " The next is "richardson has always come up with the goods come wtc stage for that i grant you and for that alone he deserves his place " What make you change your mind within a day ? or do you like to answer your own questions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Steve, you make some decent points. We both agree that Howe should have had a chance, and I've almost convinced you that Rico does too, so we'd better quit while we're ahead. You make a good case about the support that Rico currently enjoys at Swindon, but by the same token Howe has also clocked up most of his points with strong backup in the shape of PK, Billy and Freddie at Wolves, so the same statement surely applies? I guess that David just needs to keep up his current form and he's sure to remain in Middlo's thoughts. As an aside, will you be going to the meeting? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cheers, well yea, thats the exact reason why i bought up the point of how well both would do in a 2nd heat leader or 1st role. Agreed also that both have terrific home form - my only point on that is that david seems more consistent away than lee does this year. But in theory i agree with you. As for going to Cov - yea i may do if the weather improves! i agree 100% with this! Richardson is having a good season and deserves his place. I just wonder if David Howe would have got 3rd place in the british final if it wasn't at Monmore Green!?! : <{POST_SNAPBACK}> as the 3rd highest averaged brit yea hes scoring well away as well this year in case you hadnt noticed is this old chestnut STILL coming up I think you'll find he finished 2nd <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stevebrum first quote about rico was "why o why is richardson in the side " The next is "richardson has always come up with the goods come wtc stage for that i grant you and for that alone he deserves his place " What make you change your mind within a day ? or do you like to answer your own questions ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As ive explained my reasons Orion in the lengthy post - if you choose to read thru it it might just give you the answers that you are seeking. But thanks for taking the highlighted parts of my arguments and ignorng the facts ive explained since. Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) Not at all steve you say why o why is richardson is in the team then you go on and on about why he should be in the team . Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness no wonder you think david howe was going to be world champion Edited July 4, 2007 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 SteveBrum I agreed that Howe should be in the team, but, Richardson ALWAYS raises his game for the world cup. Remember the world cup final in 2005? He won more races than the whole of the Swedish and Danish team In fact, try watching these These may remind you what Lee Richardson, who "can't hack it on the big stage" has done for Team GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Team looks right to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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