Ghostwalker Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 (edited) Preliminary Lineups+live results: Piraterns vs. Rospiggarna: http://www.speedway.nu/2007/visa_prel.asp?matchid=40#laginfo http://www.speedway.nu/2007/Report.asp?elit.GH Västervik vs. Indianerna http://www.speedway.nu/2007/visa_prel.asp?matchid=36#laginfo http://www.speedway.nu/2007/Report.asp?elit.JD Kaparna vs. MasarnaAvesta: http://www.speedway.nu/2007/visa_prel.asp?matchid=37#laginfo http://www.speedway.nu/2007/Report.asp?elit.EF Smederna vs. Dackarna: http://www.speedway.nu/2007/visa_prel.asp?matchid=39#laginfo http://www.speedway.nu/2007/Report.asp?elit.IA Elit Vetlanda vs Hammarby http://www.speedway.nu/2007/visa_prel.asp?matchid=38#laginfo http://www.speedway.nu/2007/Report.asp?elit.BC First Link is preliminary Lineups. the second link for each meeting is not yet activated at speedway.nu but you will find results there once the meetings start at 19.00 CET. Edited June 19, 2007 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Can anyone tell me at which track Kaparna's meeting was held? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Kaparnas Match was held at the track in Hagfors i think the name of the track is "Tallhult". Also Kris Kasprzak is Injured again. He was striked by Lukas Dryml and Despite that KK rode tyhe restart and won it he didnt ride anymore tonight. The firsdt reports is a broken rib and it looked as he felt some pain at the lower part of his back. He might be out for a short while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I'm so happy! All feelings are overwhelming! Coming from eight points back with only four heats to go and winning in a last heat decider...OH MY GOD! - Holta coming from third to first to win heat 14 - Zabik and Jankowski flew from the gate in heat 15 to team ride home for a double victory - out of the blue - Pedersen gating in heat 16 only to be passed by Holta on the second lap for the win I'm full of admiration for the fighting spirit in the Elit Vetlanda camp tonight, against a strong Hammarby side. Newcomers Karol Zabik and Lukasz Jankowski made their Elit Vetlanda debut and scored a crucial double victory when it really mattered, they will provide much scoring throughout the remainder of the season. ELIT VETLANDA 49 1. Karol Zabik 1-1-N-0-N-3 = 5 (4) 2. Peter Ljung 0-2-0-N = 2 (3) 3. Jaroslaw Hampel 2-3-3-2-2*-1 = 13+1 (6) 4. Tomasz Jedrzejak 0-0-N-N = 0 (2) 5. Rune Holta 3-2-2-3-3-3 = 16 (6) 6. Thomas H Jonasson 1-0-0-3-0 = 4 (5) 7. Lukasz Jankowski 3-1*-2*-0-1-2* = 9+3 (6) 8. Niklas Larsson HAMMARBY 47 1. Jesper B Jensen 3-2-3-1-0 = 9 (5) 2. Joonas Kylmäkorpi 2*-1*-1-1-0 = 5+2 (5) 3. Nicki Pedersen 3-3-3-2-2 = 13 (5) 4. Tomasz Gapinski 1-3-2*-0 = 6+1 (4) 5. Scott Nicholls 2-Ef-3-1*-1 = 7+1 (5) 6. Martin Smolinski 2-0-1-1-2 = 6 (5) 7. Kim Nilsson 0-1*-N-0 = 1+1 (3) 8. Man of the match: Rune Holta Most exciting rider: Karol Zabik (for his heat 12 chase of Kylmäkorpi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 The krasch between kaspar and Lukas Dryml in heat 5 have resulted in that Kasprzaks mechanic "warned" Lukas that something bad was going to happen the next time he was in Poland. http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.127526/sport/2007...kas_dryml_hotad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 The krasch between kaspar and Lukas Dryml in heat 5 have resulted in that Kasprzaks mechanic "warned" Lukas that something bad was going to happen the next time he was in Poland. http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.127526/sport/2007...kas_dryml_hotad <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Did anybody see the Indianerna match, how was Laukkanen riding? I noticed he (once again) won some and lost some of his heats. Beat Billy Forsberg in one and lost in the next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Kasprzaks mechanic "warned" Lukas that something bad was going to happen the next time he was in Poland. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> These things happen of course, but it's quite regular now for Kasprzak's team to be involved in such things apparently. It's all a bit embarrassing really...(much like his little brother calling himself a speedway rider ) It will all backfire eventually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 These things happen of course, but it's quite regular now for Kasprzak's team to be involved in such things apparently. It's all a bit embarrassing really...(much like his little brother calling himself a speedway rider ) It will all backfire eventually... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think they have made a bit of a reputation for themselves over the past few years.I remember a remark a one or two years ago from a Polish woman, when they were involved in a bit of bother,along the lines of "It's the Kasprzaks again" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) I'm so happy! All feelings are overwhelming! Enjoy it while you can Anders, we'll return the favour when you come to Stockholm I actually made my first visit to the Vetlanda track last night and had an enjoyable evening, but for the last few heats where we yet again let a certain victory slip through or fingers Those 220 miles home felt a little long after that All credit to Vetlanda though, and especially Rune Holta who's an absolute DEMON around that place. Edited June 20, 2007 by Liverstam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Enjoy it while you can Anders, we'll return the favour when you come to Stockholm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will. It will definitely be a different meeting at Gubbängen, we didn't ride the best of matches there last season and defending only a two point lead will be tough for sure, but it is a fixture not to be missed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I will. It will definitely be a different meeting at Gubbängen, we didn't ride the best of matches there last season and defending only a two point lead will be tough for sure, but it is a fixture not to be missed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should indeed be another great match! By the way Anders, as I guess you were in the ref's box on tuesday and had a good view - what was the problem at the start in heat 13? I was stood behind the start so could not see if it was uneven. It became pretty decisive at the end since two great starts from Jesper turned into a 1-5 on the third attempt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Should indeed be another great match! By the way Anders, as I guess you were in the ref's box on tuesday and had a good view - what was the problem at the start in heat 13? I was stood behind the start so could not see if it was uneven. It became pretty decisive at the end since two great starts from Jesper turned into a 1-5 on the third attempt <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Overall, it was two messy starts, the referee wasn't happy at all as the riders moved and jumped the tapes. With the risk of being accused of being biased , I would say Jesper B Jensen actually was the most quilty part, and to a lesser extent Rune Holta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Overall, it was two messy starts, the referee wasn't happy at all as the riders moved and jumped the tapes. With the risk of being accused of being biased , I would say Jesper B Jensen actually was the most quilty part, and to a lesser extent Rune Holta. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair enough Anders But why don't the speaker explain why the referee is unhappy? In the stands you are left guessing the cause, especially if you can't see the starting line from a good angle. I have always wondered about this, as the speaker is always right next to the ref and could easily provide the crowd this service. Is there a rule against it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Fair enough Anders But why don't the speaker explain why the referee is unhappy? In the stands you are left guessing the cause, especially if you can't see the starting line from a good angle. I have always wondered about this, as the speaker is always right next to the ref and could easily provide the crowd this service. Is there a rule against it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didn't the speaker say it was because the referee wasn't satisfied overall with the start? Well, I can't remember how specific he actually was. In the rulebook it is several "rules" for how a speaker/announcer should act, unfortunately I don't have a rulebook at home . I'll send you a private PM when I have looked it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Didn't the speaker say it was because the referee wasn't satisfied overall with the start? Well, I can't remember how specific he actually was. In the rulebook it is several "rules" for how a speaker/announcer should act, unfortunately I don't have a rulebook at home . I'll send you a private PM when I have looked it up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well he probably did say the referee wasn't happy, but that's a bit of a no-brainer. What would have been interesting to hear was the reason(s) why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well he probably did say the referee wasn't happy, but that's a bit of a no-brainer. What would have been interesting to hear was the reason(s) why <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course, but if the referee doesn't warn a specific rider for "delaying the start" or "bad start disciplin", it's hard for the speaker to say any more details than the general saying "the referee wasn't happy". Generally I would say the speaker could only say things regarding incidents that the referee tells/allows him to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Of course, but if the referee doesn't warn a specific rider for "delaying the start" or "bad start disciplin", it's hard for the speaker to say any more details than the general saying "the referee wasn't happy". Generally I would say the speaker could only say things regarding incidents that the referee tells/allows him to do. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, agreed. But it would be a good idea if the referee had to motivate or at least explain to a lesser degree what happened that was against the rules, for instance who the culprit was and what he did wrong etc. Otherwise it can all seem a bit strange and arbitrary. I'm not on a crusade against the speaker at Vetlanda at all, it was just that the events of ht 13 in last weeks match got me thinking about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Like the ref in an ice hockey match - it is always announced what kind of penalty and for what kind of offence. Would be good in speedway too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 But it would be a good idea if the referee had to motivate or at least explain to a lesser degree what happened that was against the rules, for instance who the culprit was and what he did wrong etc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I fully agree with that, if someone is wrong, then warnings should be use and the rider in question won't try these things in upcoming heats, otherwise risking exclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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