rhidassa Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Only imagine if JC organised the ELRC without airbags - or kept it at Sheffield without airbags, and someone came off and got injured... Think of what would be said of him then. It'd be a case of 'why werent there airbags at the track?' Good point, but what about when PL riders get injured!? I reckon EVERY league should be made compulsory or it is at the club's discretion. Sorry but I can't see why EL riders' safety should be more of an issue than PL riders'! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You didnt quote all of my post: Only imagine if JC organised the ELRC without airbags - or kept it at Sheffield without airbags, and someone came off and got injured... Think of what would be said of him then. It'd be a case of 'why werent there airbags at the track?' Then JC would be getting it in the neck from every angle for not having them. (Of course, I personally think we should have airbags at all tracks anyway, but thats a different topic.)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I said quite clearly there I think all leagues should have airbags, rider safety should not be prioritised based on the league - I'm also painfully aware of the fact that if we had airbags, we'd probably have J-Lo riding for us now. Regardless, I do agree with you totally, EL, PL & CL riders safety should all be an equal issue. I can only assume the absence of airbags in all leagues other than the EL indicates too substantial a cost for a club to maintain. *shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1500uk Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I doubt that this change was solely down to just Jonathan Chapman. Surely the committee he's working with and the BSPA would have had to agree with it changing to the Norfolk Arena, so why are some people putting the blame on to one person? I know that the change has been left very late and that JC is the chairman of the whole Super7even thing and I guess he'd be among the people to get a load of stick, but still... I doubt I'll be attending this meeting anyway, but I do feel sorry for Sheffield actually as they do have a nice track and I do think that one of the bigger events should be held there...but meh Guess life is a bitch lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbert Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 After carefull consideration ,watching,and being involved in British Speedway since 1975 i really have had enough. Totally unprofessional promotion and running of the sport has forced me to stop viewing and now with the latest revelation of the ELRC fiasco i really fear for the sport. Its a proper piss-take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 At the end of the day, it's just another chance for some of the anti KL brigade to have a pop. Amazing how complimentary people are when you're struggling at the bottom of the league. Jealousy - such a powerful emotion <{POST_SNAPBACK}> don't care who runs it,don't care who wins the league...just care for the future of the sport-which megolamaniac promoters seem not to.having seen the news about kenny olsson (on top of everything else this season) petty squables between empire building morons do not seem to matter somehow.i've just about had my fill of this season. RIP kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 last year crump pedersen nicholls and adams raced round sheffield in sean s meeting with pedersen rounding nicholls out near the fence on the last bend fantastic racing and no air fence.the top boys know their limits .speedway here is the biggest loser as again we shoot oursleves in the foot we will never get rid of the mickey mouse image.a team quits in the middle of the season , people buy tickets some book days off work we move the event about.my brother was going to go to the meeting his first at sheffield in 20 odd years my nieces both watch the gp s on the tv and were looking forward to seeing the top lads in action but not now they will stay at home and watch mickey mouse on the disney channel to have add sky there watching the best riders in the world race on the best track in the country would have been somthing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 last year crump pedersen nicholls and adams raced round sheffield in sean s meeting with pedersen rounding nicholls out near the fence on the last bend fantastic racing and no air fence.the top boys know their limits .speedway here is the biggest loser as again we shoot oursleves in the foot we will never get rid of the mickey mouse image.a team quits in the middle of the season , people buy tickets some book days off work we move the event about.my brother was going to go to the meeting his first at sheffield in 20 odd years my nieces both watch the gp s on the tv and were looking forward to seeing the top lads in action but not now they will stay at home and watch mickey mouse on the disney channel to have add sky there watching the best riders in the world race on the best track in the country would have been somthing . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Even the best riders make mistakes. The re-arranging is indeed unfortunate for those whose plans have to be changed.. But at least it was changed 2-3 months in advance, rather than the month before. Theres still time to alter plans. And as for complaints about promoters... What are you gaining? Nothings perfect, people try their best. And I do agree, after reading about Kenny Olsson, especially so soon after Michael Matula, things like this seem unimportant. Surely we should be more concerned with the safety of the riders than the changing of dates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razzer Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 seems to me that chapman is yet another of the considerable numbers of " wide boys " that have found there way into the sport , i suppose they have been around for a long period of time but the more sensible and respected people, many of whom are now sadly gone or have drifted out of the sport have kept them in check A small number of them mainly in the south are in GRAVE danger of ruining speedway , making money form countless backhanders and ducbious dealings I dont trust this bloke one little bit , Elite league speedway this season is a shambles, the nice guy that peter toogood undoubtedly is m hes being railroaded by this small group of very dubious people , that like the publicity of Page 3 gitls and cameras , mark my words this man caanot be trusted !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 seems to me that chapman is yet another of the considerable numbers of " wide boys " that have found there way into the sport , i suppose they have been around for a long period of time but the more sensible and respected people, many of whom are now sadly gone or have drifted out of the sport have kept them in check A small number of them mainly in the south are in GRAVE danger of ruining speedway , making money form countless backhanders and ducbious dealings I dont trust this bloke one little bit , Elite league speedway this season is a shambles, the nice guy that peter toogood undoubtedly is m hes being railroaded by this small group of very dubious people , that like the publicity of Page 3 gitls and cameras , mark my words this man caanot be trusted !!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Seems to me this thread is about the change in venue of the Elite League Rider Championship, not about the trustworthiness of Jonathan Chapman. You are of course entitled to your opinion, and I also view the super7 girls as somewhat pointless (though calling them page 3 girls is harsh, if I am interpreting your post correctly). Also, implications of backhanders and dodgy dealings.. Well, thats a serious allegation to make, and I dont think speculation as to those sorts of things are exactly appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razzer Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 and i wonder where the venue has been moved to and whose pockets are being lined again Take my word for it he wont be in the sport for too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhidassa Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 and i wonder where the venue has been moved to and whose pockets are being lined again Take my word for it he wont be in the sport for too long <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If airbags are required (and I'm assuming the BSPA had something to do with this as well as all those - not just JC, involved with super7), then moving was the only option. I've been told that Kings Lynn is one of the nearest tracks to Sheffield? Obviously a PL track would be best so as there is no home advantage for the EL riders, but honestly, KL isnt that bad a venue, and I'm sure the income will all be above board. Okay, KL will take the money in the trackshop, the cafes, etc, but isnt the important thing that the riding will still take place? His father seems to have been in the sport a while.. Why is there any reason to think he wont be? He seems to have been reasonably successful, both at Lynn & with Super7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 1. Believe it or not there are a lot more tracks in the country than Poole Considering their are only two Elite League tracks on the South Coast it probably makes sense to have the meeting at Kings Lynn 2. If Matt Ford was organiser are you saying that he wouldn't want the meeting at his home track <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am not saying anything like that at all. I did say ...Sheffield is easier to get to from Bournemouth than Kings Lynn. Where did I mention a southern club? I agree with the poster who complained about none of these events going further north than Wolverhampton. I was not thinking of Poole,nor did I mention Poole! Another Poole basher! Get a life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Star Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) Ive never heard such a load of tosh as has been spoken about the Chapmans on here today, seems that as Ivan Mauger said many years ago, the worst thing you can do in Britain ever, is to be successful. All i can see is envy and jealousy, the Chapmans run what most people consider to be one of the most successful tracks in the country, that seems to be a problem for some of you. Bearing in mind recent events at Oxford, and the obviously precarious situation at a number of other venues, why isn't everyone delighted for any go-ahead promotion that brings in the crowds at any track in the country. I don't know why the venue has been switched, and i don't care, i am sorry for the Sheffield fans, but for whatever reason a change has been required, get over it. As for the further widespread criticism of the Super7even series, what are those criticising hoping to achieve ? Aren't you glad that someone bothered to step in and try and revamp some of these meetings which clearly for years now have been poorly promoted ? There are many promoters up and down the country who do not deserve the loyalty that there hard core fans give willingly, a few do try and promote the sport. Clearly we are now at a crossroads within the sport in the UK now, other tracks will close, i hope not but reality suggests they will. Therefore why do some of you choose to attack people who do care deeply about the sport, have gone through thick and thin to survive, and improve support at there track, whilst others, who should not be allowed any say, about anything, never contribute to the development of the public image of speedway racing, get off lightly ? Ask your pl promoter whose visit is likely to attract the largest crowd - it won't be Newport Berwick Newcastle or Stoke will it ? We are all of us shocked, and a little angry at the very poor admistration of British Speedway and our inability to have any influence to change it. But i would have to say i have more faith in Jonathon, Buster and a few others than most current members of the BSPA Management committee. Edited June 9, 2007 by Canadian Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOOBYDO Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 There is always going to be a debate wherever the event is held and understandably so !!! What next, is there a danger of one of the other events planned changing venue or is it just the ELRC? What about the ELRC being held over 4 meetings to keep everyone happy.... Glasgow/Edinburgh Sheffield/Kings Lynn Newport Isle of Wight/Somerset This way the Premier League fans would get a chance to see the Elite guys live in action. Of course this would never happen but seems fair to everyone (Apart from PL tracks I have not mentioned !!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Ive never heard such a load of tosh as has been spoken about the Chapmans on here today<{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes you have, it seems to come from the same people, but you've heard it before and you will keep hearing it. when Jonathan came into promoting he was a nightmare, jumping into things and opening his mouth when it should have stayed shut, and not doing things that should have been done. the difference is now is that he listened and put things right, that's why there's been a turn around. there are always going to be people that don't like new ideas or new enthusiasm, and they're the ones that are making the most noise. it's unfortunate the venue has been switched for whatever reason, but if people want some things to continue it's about getting behind what's going on and supporting it, or you'll be a main reason for it laying down to die. as CS said, look at Oxford ... ok, so the product wasn't great, but the reason it went was because of lack of support. wonder how long it will take before people that are moaning on here are then moaning about the loss of a British Final, or ELRC, or PLRC etc ... because thats what happens when you don't get behind a product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortcrust Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Wonder if the riders taking part in this meeting are gutted the meeting's been changed from Sheffield to King's Lynn? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) I cant believe the whinging reading through this topic. If Sheffield is unavailable then an alternative needed to be found, it has been,and on the original date. Whats it got to do with how many meetings are held at KL, its a one off because 'Sheffield is unavailable'. The issue was to stop the losses that these shared events create, and (God forbid) make some money that can be ploughed back into the sport. Are all you complainers so blinkered that you cant see that the sport is stuggling at present? Try being an Oxford fan! PS Canadian Star, I find myself in so much agreement with you its spooky!, got any relatives in the West Midlands? Edited June 9, 2007 by BUDGIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I don't know why the venue has been switched, and i don't care, i am sorry for the Sheffield fans, but for whatever reason a change has been required, get over it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ok lets get this straight...it has nothing to do with club v club or jealousy or petty squables - THIS IS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SPORT we're talking about!if the football world cup was advertised as being in germany (and tickets sold accordingly) but then FIFA decided to switch it to brazil what do you think would be said/written by the fans?could you ever see it happening in any another sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 ok lets get this straight...it has nothing to do with club v club or jealousy or petty squables - THIS IS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SPORT we're talking about!if the football world cup was advertised as being in germany (and tickets sold accordingly) but then FIFA decided to switch it to brazil what do you think would be said/written by the fans?could you ever see it happening in any another sport? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually Yes! FA Vase, switched from Somewhere to Wembley FA Cup Final switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Division 2 switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Division 1 switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Championship switched from Cardiff to Wembley Lots of other examples exist, eg SGP Stockholm, switched to Arvesta, I think and thats without even doing any research. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Wonder if the riders taking part in this meeting are gutted the meeting's been changed from Sheffield to King's Lynn? Just a thought. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> id guess quite a few will be, Crump loves sheffield as do many others, never complain about fence as they know its probaly one of the best fences around which isn't an air fence. Plus Air Fences in elite league are crap anyway, they either go through them and hit fence behind anyway (wolves on sky other week) or slide underneath which is dangerous ! The stadium is available im sure riders were up for riding round Owlerton as always but the powers that be seem to want to change things for no real reason and will use the Air Fence as a poor excuse. Super 7 Series has been badly run from start and what seemed like a good attempt to sort the events out has been pretty dire so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Actually Yes! FA Vase, switched from Somewhere to Wembley FA Cup Final switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Division 2 switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Division 1 switched from Cardiff to Wembley Football League Play-off final Championship switched from Cardiff to Wembley Lots of other examples exist, eg SGP Stockholm, switched to Arvesta, I think and thats without even doing any research. K <{POST_SNAPBACK}> football fans knew the finals were all going to be at Wembley before season started unless Wembley was not completed on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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