Subedei

[GeneralMelchett]

I wholeheartdly agree with the above statement.

Poles who do not ride in the UK will never be world champion.

Gollob has stated that he does not need to ride in the UK, but what has he done since he rode for Ipswich.?

I believe it has to do the the sharpness that the UK tracks provide, and the different setups the riders have to adopt to be competitive, unlike the Polish tracks which are all very similar in geometry.

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Interesting to get Polish fans view, Jarek has IMO stagnated in the last couple of seasons, which is a shame as he is a great talent.

[Liverstam]

A lot of world champions will testify that you need to ride in England, Per Jonsson and Tony Rickardsson to name but two. Especially at the beginning of each season, March and April to be ready for the GP's. As some others have said on this thread it's beneficial because you learn to set-up the bike for all sorts of tracks until it becomes second nature. And the many race nights keep you sharp. It is however not down to the EL being particulary good or competitive, but even so, almost every match you face at least one other top rider to give you a little test.

Orion has a good point but his conclusion is all wrong, it was many years since the EL was the best in the world.

[wjasica]

A lot of world champions will testify that you need to ride in England, Per Jonsson and Tony Rickardsson to name but two. Especially at the beginning of each season, March and April to be ready for the GP's. As some others have said on this thread it's beneficial because you learn to set-up the bike for all sorts of tracks until it becomes second nature. And the many race nights keep you sharp. It is however not down to the EL being particulary good or competitive, but even so, almost every match you face at least one other top rider to give you a little test.

Orion has a good point but his conclusion is all wrong, it was many years since the EL was the best in the world.

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I think a lot of what you say is correct. In particular to the competitiveness of the EL in that different race nights, the second nature of getting the setup right, all leads to being sharp and ready for any occassion and any track.

In regard to the EL being the best, this is where I have lots of arguements with my fellow Poles, who seem to think that Polish is best. It may be the best in regard to exicting speedway and entertainment. But it has not been able to produce riders who can adapt to the different tracks and setups in a way that the Scandinavians and Aussie riders seem to able to manage.

[BigFatDave]

Not in the GP tho is he??

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No, yer right there General. Don't forget he had a coupla horror years with illness and then getting the run around from promoters. I wouldn't write him off just yet, specially with IMG on the Horizon. He seems to be getting his form back without too much added pressure; plenty of vacancies in EL at the mo! If we see him again around SWC time who knows what'll happen?

[WATigerman]

and the British champion, to be fair to him, performed reasonably well

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Y u mellowing with age, Subedei..........??

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[Maddas69]

No swedes or poles in the top 8 and all the riders who made the top 8 all ride in the el .

 

Just go's to show that the el  is still  the best in the world and riding once a week is no good to anyone .

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Well in Eskilstuna two of the riders not riding in England got into the semis. The two others was either injured or got injured as the meeting progressed and one has big engine problems.

 

The Swedish league is the best in the world no doubt about it, any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it.

That`s why you British always keep nagging about how good your league is while the Nordic Vikings just keeps their mouth shut. Because we know.........

Edited May 26, 2007 by Maddas69

[Maddas69]

To discuss this reasonably without winding people up or point scoring,it isn't much of a surprise.I am not one of those who thinks Jagus will do that good this year.If he finishes in the automatic qualifying positions that will surprise me.I think about 10th.Gollob is going down hill for the last few years and Holta will be about one or 2 positions below Jagus.I did say i didn't expect much in the way of excitement or entertainment from Ulamek and was about right.The big disappointment for me is that Hampel doesn't seem to be progressing much in the last 2 years.Not sure why this is Thought by now he would be challenging for 4th or 5th place in the GP table,maybe better.

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Hampel has had big big engine problems this year. Holta is doing a LOT of testing on the new FGM engine and Gollob is slowly coming to grips. On top of that Jagus would have gotten into the semis tonight if the doctors would have let him ride.

[Mateusz]

Well in Eskilstuna two of the riders not riding in England got into the semis. The two others was either injured or got injured as the meeting progressed and one has big engine problems.

 

The Swedish league is the best in the world no doubt about it, any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it.

That`s why you British always keep nagging about how good your league is while the Nordic Vikings just keeps their mouth shut. Because we know.........

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You're right at some points but it sounds a bit like a moan after another lost GP for us, Poles. And I think you would agree with me that our 'aces' should come back to GB and learn how too keep the inside.

[Grachan]

The Swedish league is the best in the world no doubt about it, any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it.

That`s why you British always keep nagging about how good your league is while the Nordic Vikings just keeps their mouth shut. Because we know.........

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Absolutely. I have no doubt that a team of: Magnus Zetterstrom, Kaj Laukkenen, Piotr Protasiewicz, Roman Provazhny, Simon Gustafsson, Niklaus Kingberg and Henka Gustafsson would have the teams in the EL shaking with terror!

[Bonsai Diamond]

The Swedish league is the best in the world no doubt about it, any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it.

That`s why you British always keep nagging about how good your league is while the Nordic Vikings just keeps their mouth shut. Because we know.........

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I think if some of the swedish slick boys came to the racers paradise supreme speed bowls in the premier league they would be sent home crying along to their whinney Abba tripe.

The premier league is best in the UK, the boys keep their mouths shut and let the superlative multiple overtaking manouvres do the talking.

Go Lindback, Go Lindback

[SCB]

The Swedish league is the best in the world no doubt about it, any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it.

Because the talent is spread around more GB teams. If we only had the same number of teams as Sweden, we'd be able to beat you!

 

I truely wish we had Lindback riding over the in UK, oh how we miss him, NOT!!!!

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[HenryW]

Absolutely. I have no doubt that a team of: Magnus Zetterstrom, Kaj Laukkenen, Piotr Protasiewicz, Roman Provazhny, Simon Gustafsson, Niklaus Kingberg and Henka Gustafsson would have the teams in the EL shaking with terror!

Ah, so you pick on the Indians.

They haven't got a good squad this season, but then they have scored no league points either. Compare them with the dross at Belle-Vue and Oxford, and they don't look so bad.

 

What about if you compared some of the better teams?

Do you think that Coventry would like to face Ulamek, Harris, B.Pedersen, Iversen, Gollob, Chrzanowski and Forsberg?

Or what about Poole taking on H.Andersen, P.Karlsson, Lindgren, Gjedde, Jonsson, Kling and Tornqvist.

 

Seems to me that the Swedes certainly have the upper hand there

 

Because the talent is spread around more GB teams.  If we only had the same number of teams as Sweden, we'd be able to beat you! 

 

The UK has one more team in it's Elite league than Sweden....Hardly a massive difference. What IS a difference is the fact that all the top riders race in Sweden.

[Subedei]

I keep hoping this thread will turn out to be about me being correct regarding the British champion. Maybe one day someone will start that one.

[Grachan]

Ah, so you pick on the Indians.

They haven't got a good squad this season, but then they have scored no league points either. Compare them with the dross at Belle-Vue and Oxford, and they don't look so bad.

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The original comment was: "any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it" so, obviously, I picked one that wouldn't. Not a lot else to say about it, really.

[Maddas69]

Absolutely. I have no doubt that a team of: Magnus Zetterstrom, Kaj Laukkenen, Piotr Protasiewicz, Roman Provazhny, Simon Gustafsson, Niklaus Kingberg and Henka Gustafsson would have the teams in the EL shaking with terror!

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Well they would not exactly be terrified of meeting Rory Schlein, Kim Jansson, Chris Louis, Zibi Sucheki, Robert Miskowiak, Marcin Rempala and Tobi Kroner or Daniel Nermark, Freddie Eriksson, Piotr Protasiewcz, Steve Johnston; Jesper B. Jensen, Ricky Kling and Lubos Tomicek.

 

And before you go at me; yes I know Protasewicz is in both Indianerna and Oxford and yes I picked the two worst team you have in EL since you picked the worst one in Sweden.

 

So do you think you league leaders Coventry (Nicholls, Janniro, Schlein, Burza, Harris, Allen, Smolinski) could beat Västervik (leaders in Sweden) (B. Pedersen, Harris, Gollob, Ulamek, Iversen, Forsberg, Chrzanowski)??

 

EDIT: Sorry HenryW, didn`t see your post before I posted mine.

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[Grachan]

So do you think you league leaders Coventry (Nicholls, Janniro, Schlein, Burza, Harris, Allen, Smolinski) could beat Västervik (leaders in Sweden) (B. Pedersen, Harris, Gollob, Ulamek, Iversen, Forsberg, Chrzanowski)??

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Irrelevant. I was responding to your original comment, not comparing the two leagues.

 

Of course I picked the weakest team. That was the team that proved the case.

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[HenryW]

The original comment was: "any Swedish team would beat any British team any day and you know it" so, obviously, I picked one that wouldn't. Not a lot else to say about it, really.

Fair point Grachan....that'll teach me to read the original post more carefully.

Still, I reckon that Indianerna could give any EL team a good run for their money on their home track, if using their strongest squad rather than the one that you named.....

[Maddas69]

Because the talent is spread around more GB teams.  If we only had the same number of teams as Sweden, we'd be able to beat you! 

 

I truely wish we had Lindback riding over the in UK, oh how we miss him, NOT!!!! 

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Hehe, quote of the day. You have 11 EL teams, Sweden have 10. Is that more evenly spread?

[SCB]

Hehe, quote of the day. You have 11 EL teams, Sweden have 10. Is that more evenly spread?

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YES! It makes a team 10% weaker/stronger!!!

[Maddas69]

YES!  It makes a team 10% weaker/stronger!!!

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LOL!