Name Of Famous Rider Who Committed Suicide?

[iris123]

Yes what KC did was wrong but............. a speedway rider does believe it or not have a personal life which REALLY is none of anyones business, what he did off track has nothing to do with what he achieved on track and that goes for all the others riders that you feel have wronged "Our" sport for having personal lives!!!!! 

 

There but for the grace of god go I .......... mind your halos don't slip you could end up strangling yourselves 

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Quote 1 above

If he went off with someone elses wife I'd call him something much more than a Pastor!

Quote 2 below also from Shazzy about another riders off track activities:unsure:

[spin king]

I think we need to remember that the couple had two young children, and I doubt whether they want everybody discussing what happened to their father and mother.

The Carter family has had more than its fair share of heartache and tradegy and I think that their needs to be some respect for their feelings, who knows what happened that terrible day and what was going through their minds, an they are not here to answer those questions.

[stuart road]

So he did - it was a crime passionel.  He wasn't the first and he won't be the last to kill his partner and himself in the name of love - people do, from many walks of life.  But we shouldn't judge KC for that act, nor even speculate about the mental state you need to be in to carry out such a tragic and desperate act - it was nothing to do with speedway; our job is to remember him on the track.

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totally agree andym,of course i dont condone what kenny did,but you cant dismiss his achievements on the track.

[psymon]

A couple of years ago I saw on the local news that an ex work colleague of mine was killed by her partner who then went on to deliberately crash his car and kill himself. At the funeral my ex-colleague's mother was very firm on the fact that although the man involved had done an evil thing, that act did not destroy all the good things he hed done. He had just made a terrible, terrible, mistake, which he had regretted in an instant and was so mortified about he killed himself. I don't know the full details about Kenny Carter, but I do know his riding in the '85 Wembley final took my breath away. Yes he did something evil, but he also obviously felt regret. It's not my place to forgive him, but it's not my place to judge him either. I have always felt really sorry that it had happened, just as I felt when I heard about my friends Rebecca and Tim.

[Guest Donsking]

I can't believe these comments shazzy..!!

He murdered his wife..!! That's not a minor indiscretion in his "personal life"..!!

 

I suggest you reread your posting again and strongly consider whether what you wrote can ever be appropriate as a description of the "wrong" thing that Kenny Carter did..??!!!

Are you suggesting that if someone murders their spouse this is "none of anyones business"..??!!  Or that somehow we might all do this in certain circumstances as your "but for the grace of god go I" comment implies..

 

Oh, and I don't know where you get the idea that anyone has mentioned all these "other riders who've wronged the sport"..: I've made it 100% clear that we're only talking about the appalling case of Kenny Carter and nothing or nobody else..

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He also then killed himself, which, despite what people will tell you about it being a coward's way out, takes immense mental courage to even try, let alone actually do it.

 

As to your second point, no matter how much you might think you aren't capable of it, if you have real passion for things, as KC obviously had, then you may find that circumstances drive you to do things you would never believe you would do in a million years.

 

For what it's worth, I always thought Kenny was an enormously talented rider that should've achieved more, but he spent too much time behaving like a petulent kid; frankly, I thought he was egotistical, immature tw*t!

 

Twenty odd years later, I've mellowed a bit; the years have added wisdom, as they are wont to do, and my own life's twists and turns cause me to look at his actions in a different way.

 

Killing someone is wrong, and a more responsible (and probably duller) man would've stood up and faced the music; but whatever the rights or wrongs of his actions off track, what he did on track can't be ignored; to do so is to show a lack of understanding of a man passionate about all things, not least his chosen sport.

[shazzybird]

I can't believe these comments shazzy..!!

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Really! like I couldn't believe your comments as well, you've done nothing but slate KC all the way through this thread, what he did was wrong but that doesn't take away what the man did within British Speedway.

 

No one is saying that what he did was right, he took his and his wifes lives leaving their children orphans........... but you are trying to take away his speedway as well

 

 

Quote 1 above

 

Quote 2 below also from Shazzy about another riders off track activities:unsure: 

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Nothing what I'd expect from you Iris dragging up old posts from other threads and at the time of my posting of "quote 2" my old man had just run off with a ! so my comments there were a tad justified don't you think

 

As for the thread in the first place was the person who started this sent in to wind the forum up because if they were it's bloody worked this end!!!!!

[iris123]

Nothing what I'd expect from you Iris dragging up old posts from other threads and at the time of my posting of "quote 2" my old man had just run off with a ! so my comments there were a tad justified don't you think 

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Yeah and i'm supposed to know that am i?.

Still what ever happens in your family has nowt to do with this,so i don't think it is justified

 

 

Anyway,slightly off topic,but didn't Kenny have a brother that was going well on superbikes or something.Seem to remember him being the next big British talent.Anyone know what happened to his bike career?

[shazzybird]

Yeah and i'm supposed to know that am i?.

Still what ever happens in your family has nowt to do with this,so i don't think it is justified

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Exactly know you are not supposed to know that ............. so you don't know the reasons behind what KC did either I'm not condoning (sp) what he did in no way shape or form I just don't think it is anything to do with his speedway career and what he achieved for British Speedway. Also what did or didn't go on in his private life has nothing to do with speedway either!

[WATigerman]

................. but I do know his riding in the '85 Wembley final............

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"...........Yes he did something evil, but he also obviously felt regret................."

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Please do share your knowledge with us and tell us exactly how you know he felt regret, as opposed to say not wanting to face up to any consequences that may have arisen from events.

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[stuart road]

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Please do share your knowledge with us and tell us exactly how you know he felt regret, as opposed to say not wanting to face up to any consequences that may have arisen from events.

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if you knew the man,and knew his wife,you would know there were extenuating circumstances,thats not to say his actions were in anyway justified,but we do all have very different breaking points.

 

there are many people on this forum who disagree with my viewpoint,and given the serious nature of what happened,i would assume their thoughts are pretty much set in stone. and to those people i would say i respect your position and your opinions,and we will have to agree to disagree.

 

regards your point i suppose his suicide is taken by many to express his regret,but it has to be said your scenario,is equally as valid,and we will probably never find the absolute truth.

 

on a more pleasant note,do you live near perth?

Edited May 9, 2007 by stuart road

[WATigerman]

if you knew the man,and knew his wife,you would know there were extenuating circumstances,thats not to say his actions were in anyway justified,but we do all have very different breaking points.

 

there are many people on this forum who disagree with my viewpoint,and given the serious nature of what happened,i would assume their thoughts are pretty much set in stone. and to those people i would say i respect your position and your opinions,and we will have to agree to disagree.

 

regards your point i suppose his suicide is taken by many to express his regret,but it has to be said your scenario,is equally as valid,and we will probably never find the absolute truth.

 

on a more pleasant note,do you live near perth?

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I didn't know the man, nor his wife. I did however, as a fan of the era, see him ride many times. A very balanced reply to my point for which I commend you. There are some (understandably) very strong views on this subject and I think it's important that differing viewpoints can be expressed whilst not shared.

 

As a matter of fact yes I do. I live in Perth and have done for quite some years now.

[AndyM]

Just for information, I suffer from periodic depression, as to many other people. When the illness afflicts us, many sufferers find themselves thinking and fantasising about suicide, even if we never do anything about it. We don't want it - it just comes with the territory. When you're in that mindset it might only take one event to push you over the edge to enact those fantasies and to do something totally beyond all reason. And while you're doing it, it might appear totally reasonable and justified - but that's the disease talking. The moral is not to judge too harshly, however terrible the circumstances might appear - KC might have found himself in a position beyond all control due to an illness.

[Bobbin' Along]

As a fellow sufferer over the years, I have to agree AndyM. I contemplated it, but never actually tried. I think it was because I was scared of failure.

[BOBBATH]

Since we're talking about this-I have been in the same situation as the two previous posts. Unless you have been in the depths of depression it is tough to comprehend what it's like. Its like being in the bottom of a black pit with no way out. Fortunately there are meds available-but some people won't avail themselves of them. My own feeling is that if you had a pain in your knee you'd take a pill for it so you should also do so if you have a"pain" in your head One of the disadvantages of the various medications, however, is that -until they kick in which is usually about two weeks- you can feel even worse and can be tempted to act impetuously. Its important to recognise this and make sure you realise that this is a feeling associated with the meds and say to yourself "calm down it will pass." I don't know, and we could analyse forever unproductively, whether Mr. Carter was in this situation and taking medication.It is true that if you have a tendency to be a risk taker or act impetuously(as he may have been given his occupation and personality),the meds are more likely to have this adverse effect. I do know that if you commit a rash act that is irreversible, an instant later you would realise what you'd done-a terrible realisation indeed! We'll never know the cause of these awful events-but I would say to anyone out there if you have terrible depression-get help-nothing to be ashamed of-its a chemical imbalance and can be treated. Don't suffer pointlessly.

[Kent Boy]

Former Stoke rider Ian Robertson took his own life and dosen't even get a mention

[BOBBATH]

So did a Halifax ? rider who had done well in Div 2 Riders Championship was it Ian Gledhill

[Kent Boy]

Ian Gledhill won the NLRC while with Stoke and later rode for Mildenhall surely not him?

[BOBBATH]

I could be wrong re Ian Gledhill-its happened before-can anybody out in Forumland help re this. By the way if you go to Youtube and enter "Kenny Carter speedway" you will see many of Kenny's greatest races. Also if any Canadians are reading this when does the Paris season start-can't wait!!

[frigbo]

Definitely not Ian Gledhill.

 

I can think of Craig Hodgson, Kevin Price, David Smart and Ingar Hvamstad who also took their own lives in addition to those already mentioned.

[speedyguy]

I could be wrong re Ian Gledhill-its happened before-can anybody out in Forumland help re this. By the way if you go to Youtube and enter "Kenny Carter speedway" you will see many of Kenny's greatest races. Also if any Canadians are reading this when does the Paris season start-can't wait!!

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For Canadian fixtures try:

 

 

http://www.speedwaybikes.com/canada/csra/schedule/htm

 

or just google to:

 

Canadian Speedway Racing Association

 

I think Paris Speedway starts Friday June 1.