Bonsai Diamond Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 (edited) With crump looking a shadow of his former self and Nicki appearing to be at full fitness, the question is who will challenge Nicki? I think Andesen has peaked and maybes this is between Nicki, Bjarne, AJ, Scotty, Bomber, Hancock and Jagus. The rest of the guys just dont have the cutting edge, its good to see nicki back to take what is his after 4 injury ravaged seasons. Edited April 29, 2007 by Bonsai Diamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Long way to go yet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 remind me...who won the first GP last year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 With crump looking a shadow of his former self and Nicki appearing to be at full fitness, the question is who will challenge Nicki? I think Andesen has peaked and maybes this is between Nicki, Bjarne, AJ, Scotty, Bomber, Hancock and Jagus. The rest of the guys just dont have the cutting edge, its good to see nicki back to take what is his after 4 injury ravaged seasons. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Theres 2 names that shouldn't be in that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sEdgY2 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 With crump looking a shadow of his former self and Nicki appearing to be at full fitness, the question is who will challenge Nicki? I think Andesen has peaked and maybes this is between Nicki, Bjarne, AJ, Scotty, Bomber, Hancock and Jagus. The rest of the guys just dont have the cutting edge, its good to see nicki back to take what is his after 4 injury ravaged seasons. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mate you have rocks in ya head lol Jason crump is the best rider in world speedway he has shown that! your already on the pedersen band wagon after one round. I agree pedersen is going pretty good atm but dont right off crumpy. It's all guna come down between crump, adams. pedersen and Andersen. And forget the brits dont get me wrong they are nice blokes but they want be near the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Indeed, weird to see both British riders in that list. Nicki P won the first final last year and looked awesome in doing so, but he didn't take the title. Maybe his going under the knife played a part, I'm not so sure. As for Crump, according to reports he looked slow and off the pace, but he still made the final. And my guess is he'll continue making finals and he'll probably pick up the pace. I still believe the title is Crump's, if he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 As for Crump, according to reports he looked slow and off the pace, but he still made the final. And my guess is he'll continue making finals and he'll probably pick up the pace. I still believe the title is Crump's, if he wants it. Scraping finals was well and good last year but now every point counts, you need to be scoring 16+ in each GP to be a real contenter, Crumpy is already down on that so needs a great GP now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Scraping finals was well and good last year but now every point counts, you need to be scoring 16+ in each GP to be a real contenter, Crumpy is already down on that so needs a great GP now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I disagree. This was an unusual GP result, in as much as Nicki P won all his heats. Will there be another occasion when a rider so dominates a GP that he'll get the maximum 24 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 (edited) But the top guys two only score 10 in the heats, then get the 2 in the semi, it's not impressive is it? The top guys (Hans, Nicki, Crump IMO) should be looking for 12+ in the heats, then 2 or 3 followed by another 2 at least. Not a great deal lost I agree but unlike last year where Crumpy could bum around in the heats, sneak in with 7, then ave an ok semi and get 2nd then win the final and it was perfect, this year, to do that would only be "ok" by Crumpy standards and he'd not descirbe it as a good result. Where as if he scores 12+3+4 I bet he'd see it as a much better result, despite the fact on the night it was not, in the series as a whole it is. Crumps 4th and a long way back from Nicki (relatively speaking), do you think he's happy? Intrestingly, the guy in 4th has 50% of the points the guy in first has right now, did that happen in the past? No? So have they really closed the gap betwen the winner and the rest? Cleary not! Edited April 29, 2007 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From PC to KC. Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 But the top guys two only score 10 in the heats, then get the 2 in the semi, it's not impressive is it? The top guys (Hans, Nicki, Crump IMO) should be looking for 12+ in the heats, then 2 or 3 followed by another 2 at least. Not a great deal lost I agree but unlike last year where Crumpy could bum around in the heats, sneak in with 7, then ave an ok semi and get 2nd then win the final and it was perfect, this year, to do that would only be "ok" by Crumpy standards and he'd not descirbe it as a good result. Where as if he scores 12+3+4 I bet he'd see it as a much better result, despite the fact on the night it was not, in the series as a whole it is. Crumps 4th and a long way back from Nicki (relatively speaking), do you think he's happy? Intrestingly, the guy in 4th has 50% of the points the guy in first has right now, did that happen in the past? No? So have they really closed the gap betwen the winner and the rest? Cleary not! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If all Gp,s are on tracks like last nights, and Pedersen continues to gate like Jan Andersson on the indoor concrete, then he has a great chance. Any attempt to go wide was pretty fruitless and a wheel on the GRASS seemed the ideal line. Niki Pedersen is a serious contender, but to say Crump is already struggling is beyond belief, who won the 1st round last year. Agreed the pts system favours the more consistent, and in the 1st round this was Niki, but overs 11 rounds injury free, its Crumps to give away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Agreed the pts system favours the more consistent, and in the 1st round this was Niki, but overs 11 rounds injury free, its Crumps to give away. Don't think just because he dominated for one year he's that much better than anyone else. I'm growing tired of this "his to give away" nonsense. Crump is far from unbeatable, although he is the favourite and current no 1. If anyone does manage to beat him to the title they will have done so on their own merit and does not need to hear they were gifted the title - that's just crap. Also you need to take into consideration that the Crump of 2006 might have been a freak - Jason's standards are mighty high but will he ever be as good over a whole season as last year again? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Don't think just because he dominated for one year he's that much better than anyone else. I'm growing tired of this "his to give away" nonsense. Crump is far from unbeatable, although he is the favourite and current no 1. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's have a look at Crump's record: 2000 - 4th 2001 - 2nd 2002 - 2nd 2003 - 2nd 2004 - 1st 2005 - 2nd 2006 - 1st Only one man has any sort of record to match that and he's retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Let's have a look at Crump's record: 2000 - 4th 2001 - 2nd 2002 - 2nd 2003 - 2nd 2004 - 1st 2005 - 2nd 2006 - 1st Only one man has any sort of record to match that and he's retired. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sub, Yes, we all know that and the above record is massively impressive. However, Crump is beatable - for instance, who beat him in 2003? Crumpie is still favourite, but with comments such as "I still believe the title is Crump's, if he wants it", you're way off the mark. Nicki, Hans and Greg will make him work hard for it. All the best Rob All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 All the best Rob All the best Rob <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A double dose, I'm honoured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 remind me...who won the first GP last year??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly .... this is the longest series of the SGP with 11 rounds ... Ok so Nicki P has got a lead on the rest of the riders but there is a long,long way to go. Plus was it not stated by Crump on monday that lonigo is a strange sort of track and quite dificult to pass on. Nicki Pedersen has been excellent for Eastbourne home and away this season. YET amazingly despite his dominance he has not looked as quick round Arlington as he did last year. So there could be even more to come from the Eagle. However he looked much quicker than the other SGP riders ... but a lot of the SGP riders look to be struggling. Crump was struggling all meeting with setups / machinery and considering the pace he had (Holta / Crump ) match race i would imagine he grab a final spot with both hands despite being 12 points down on Nicki. Yet over 10 meetings I would expect Crump to believe he can make that up ... Hancock was excellent as ever and rode the right lines to dominate nicki apart. Adams looked good in spells but out of the dodgy gates did not look quick enough. The Great British hopes, Nicholls did not look quick enough or gate well enough and if he has broken his thumb I would expect him to be struggling to even ride in the next round. Bomber gave it his all and will be satisfied with his debut as a Full Time rider in the SGP but will need to get a series of starts to make an impression. He was in contention on 1/2 but on the graveyard gates struggled. Lindback was woeful ... barely managed to look more on the pace that the Italian reserves ... If he dont knuckle down and hit the ground running in sweden / Poland could be along old season. Jagus was the best of the Poles looked quick when he had fresh air in front of him but seemed to struggle when at the back. But an excellent effort from the Pole and with Wroclaw next round must be hoping for another good return. Gollob and Hampel were ok in spells and both will be looking to make an impression on May 12th. AJ like Gollob did ok but did not pull up any trees .... Bjarne and holta both seemed to just have one of those meetings .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 (edited) Let's have a look at Crump's record: 2000 - 4th 2001 - 2nd 2002 - 2nd 2003 - 2nd 2004 - 1st 2005 - 2nd 2006 - 1st Only one man has any sort of record to match that and he's retired. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Looking at that record, apart from two years when Tony gave the title away (because apparently that's what happens when the best guy doesn't win, eh?) he's an absolute serial failure Edited April 29, 2007 by Liverstam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 I tend to agree.Just because one rider totally dominates one year,doesn't mean he will automatically do the same the year after.I mean in some sports such as tennis a player can dominate a set,win 6-0 then lose the next one by the same amount.Funny things happen when you start from the beginning again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Looking at that record, apart from two years when Tony gave the title away (because apparently that's what happens when the best guy doesn't win, eh?) he's an absolute serial failure <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quality reply Erik. No doubt Nicki has been looking good this year, whilst Crump looked a shaddow of the rider who lifted the title last year during the first GP Don't think we're going to see Crump being a run away leader in the GP series this season, Pedersen & Hancock will be up there scrapping it out with him and with possibly AJ and Andersen in the mix too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Looking at that record, apart from two years when Tony gave the title away (because apparently that's what happens when the best guy doesn't win, eh?) he's an absolute serial failure <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's below the belt. Ah well, at least he hasn't been reduced to begging yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From PC to KC. Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Quality reply Erik. No doubt Nicki has been looking good this year, whilst Crump looked a shaddow of the rider who lifted the title last year during the first GP Don't think we're going to see Crump being a run away leader in the GP series this season, Pedersen & Hancock will be up there scrapping it out with him and with possibly AJ and Andersen in the mix too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And West Ham and Portsmouth both beat Man Utd this season, doesn't mean they are going to challenge at the top. Niki won the 1st gp last year, i would like to place a bet on Crump to retain his title, at the odds that some of you on here would think he is worthy of, considering you say he is a shadow of his former self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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