Under 21 Line Ups

[scribbler]

I actually agee with neutral grounds - truly neutral ELITE League ones

[buxton-babe]

I think the final being held at Eastbourne isnt really fair either. Bridger and Kennett no that place inside out.

[weymouth alicat]

Three rounds of British Under 21 Qualifiers.

 

But to have 7 riders, who ride week in week out that track for their club, is a bit unfair to the others.

 

I know Richie should of been at Plymouth and he was moved to Scunthorpe becayse I presume the distance was to far. But to then ask Cal McDade to race who is from Glasgow taking the p i s s.

 

The question has to be asked to Peter Oakes, Is this draw really out of the hat? If yes, Who was the Witness?

 

This draw was an absolute disgrace, and gave the Scunthorpe Riders a huge advantage over others like Ben Hannon, Jamie Courtney, Sean Stoddart etc.

 

In no way am I slaggin off the Scunny riders as I have to say they were all simply awesome, especially Scott Richardson. Also feel really bad for Tully as he would of been in the Final if not for a snapped chain! OUCH

 

I know I am not going to get my answers but still, even Scunny fans should be able to see where I am coming from?

 

Cheers

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I take your point...........whoever you are, but where do you suggest that these Qualifiers are held???

If you hold them on any Conference league track someone is going to be at an advantage ,

If you hold them on Premier league tracks, again some riders will have an advantage and so on.

The more important issue here is that the three tracks that staged the qualifiers Plymouth ,Scunthorpe and Weymouth, all benefited from an extra meeting and of course extra revenue,with of course the added attraction of some home riders to cheer on, which in turn helps to keep these tracks financialy viable.

That then goes to help the riders and gives them somewhere to race every week.

Without the tracks at this level there would be very few under 21 riders anyway............

 

Also do you think that an under 21 qualifier (mainly consisting of Conference Riders ) staged at say Coventry, Somerset and Newcastle , would have much appeal to Speedway fans in those areas...........probably little or none

The present format may give some riders an advantage but eventually the cream will come to the top wherever they race

Edited April 16, 2007 by weymouth alicat

[scribbler]

Weymouth Alicat - a brilliant post - sensible and unbiased.

 

Just like I TRY to be.

[weymouth alicat]

Weymouth Alicat - a brilliant post - sensible and unbiased.

 

Just like I TRY to be.

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thanks Scribbler........................ive never been linked with the word brilliant before

[Hollyy13]

Benji came 4th didnt he? go benji!! And good luck in the run-off dude!

 

It surley does mean Tai is riding for Britain? with him being in the british under-21 final?

 

Well done Tai, Josh and Jamie!

[Speedway wildcat]

Three rounds of British Under 21 Qualifiers.

 

But to have 7 riders, who ride week in week out that track for their club, is a bit unfair to the others.

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ok if teams had seven home riders with home advantage , how many of them got through to the final ???????

[scribbler]

Thinking about it -

 

The powers that be probably put all Scunny riders in the same qualifier SPECIFICALLY so that few Scunny riders qualified. If our boys had been placed to qualify as 3 at Plymouth 3 at Weymouth and 2 at Scunthorpe we might have had an U21 final made up of all Scunthorpe riders!!!!!!!!!

 

I think that this blows the conspiracy theory that began this thread right out.

 

There will always be the "It's not fair" brigade who

 

Knock riders when they're up

 

Or when they're down

 

. And if they're not knocking the riders they're knocking the management.

 

And if they're not doing that they are insulting each other on the forums.

Edited April 16, 2007 by scribbler

[Mr Anonomous]

I take your point...........whoever you are, but where do you suggest that these Qualifiers are held???

If you hold them on any Conference league track someone is going to be at an advantage ,

If you hold them on Premier league tracks, again some riders will have an advantage and so on.

The more important issue here is that the three tracks that staged the qualifiers Plymouth ,Scunthorpe and Weymouth, all benefited from an extra meeting and of course extra revenue,with of course the added attraction of some home riders to cheer on, which in turn helps to keep these tracks financialy viable.

That then goes to help the riders and gives them somewhere to race every week.

Without the tracks at this level there would be very few under 21 riders anyway............

 

Also do you think that an under 21 qualifier (mainly consisting of Conference Riders ) staged at say Coventry, Somerset and Newcastle , would have much appeal to Speedway fans in those areas...........probably little or none

The present format may give some riders an advantage but eventually the cream will come to the top wherever they race

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Im not saying swap the tracks, Im just saying, why is it that every Scunthorpe rider who rode in the under 21 qualifier was in the round at thier home track. It just gave the likes of Woffinden, Auty, Tully, Compton that little bit more track knowledge and craft and made the other riders such as Darren Mallett, Jeron Hart, Ben Hannon, Simon Lambert at a less advantage.

[scribbler]

But as I said earlir - it also gave Scunthorpe riders a disadvantage. More Scunthorpe riders MAY have qualified if they had ridden on different tracks.

 

Simon Lambert I think has only ridden one less meeting on our track this season than the Scunny riders ( and I'm not sure whether he trains at Scunthorpe because I don't live there - if so he will have ridden the track more than some of our riders) I can't say about the other riders - all riders have off days - home or away - anyway.

[Mr Anonomous]

But as I said earlir - it also gave Scunthorpe riders  a disadvantage. More Scunthorpe riders MAY have qualified if they had ridden on different tracks.

 

Simon Lambert I think has only ridden one less meeting on our track this season than the Scunny riders ( and I'm not sure whether he trains at Scunthorpe because I don't live there - if so he will have ridden the track more than some of our riders) I can't say about the other riders - all riders have off days - home or away - anyway.

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Your missing the point, although Simon has ridden there so many times this season, he is not racing at the track week in week out, where as Tully, Woffy, Auty, Haines, Dennis and Richardson are,

 

These riders have a home advantage, firstly from crowd support, secondly from home track awarness, and thridly they will know exactly what their bike set up should be!

 

But just another thing, Scunthorpe often over water the track as was seen at Boston, but isnt it strange that in this meeting all their home riders were off inside gates early on in the meeting!

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What happened to Jamie Robertson i thought he was in the lineup?

[Fozzie4388]

Wrong Again Woffinden was only riding the track for the 2nd time. Less then Lambert.

[scribbler]

It's anew season so if this sort of comment was made in August or something I'd agree with you - but after only 2 home meetings.

 

How can half our team be practising at Scunny each week when they are racing in the PL? Tully lives in Scotland, Tai has been in Oz all winter, Auty is studying like mad.

 

I do agree about home support but we do cheer and applaud all riders, we just don't use our airhorns or whistles at them - which is quite the usual way of things.

 

Jamie Robertson pulled out and one of the reserves took his place and another tok ?Charles Wrights if I remember correctly.

[Vicar]

Full results from Scunthorpe you can see on ConferenceSpeedway.glt.pl

[Mr Anonomous]

I've just noticed in this weeks "Star" that the Scunthorpe round has no fewer than seven home riders taking part. The Weymouth round has four home riders listed. Surely in fairness the riders should have been a bit more spread out. Scunthorpe for example could have had three at home two at Weymouth and two at Plymouth. In my opinion it opens up two things. 1. Home riders at this level having too much of an advantage and 2 Team mates looking out for one another to ensure an easier passage. If there is a reason for this I'd love to know it.

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Well aparrantly all draws were done out of a hat, but in my opinion.... I think Peter Oakes has done something to ensure his Brits (Auty Woffy) do well to get them to prgress quicker and full of confidence as they both continue to ride Internatally!

 

I do believe a rider from Scunthorpe was to ride in the Plymouth draw, but it was reported it was to far to travel so a reserve took his place. And that rider just happend to be riding today at Scunthorpe. So why if he did not ride his allocated spot was he allowed to take another which was at his home track.

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Well fair enough, it may of been too far for Richie Dennis to travel from Spalding to Plymouth, but Peter Oakes then reportedly asked Cal McDade to ride at Plymouth in his place. who lives up in Glasgow. Thats taking the buscuit.

 

Now that Tai has competed in and more importantly qualified for the Final of the British Under 21s (and who would bet against him winning the Final..: I wouldn't..!!): then surely this must end the 'debate' about whether he is to compete on the international scene as a Brit or an Aussie...

 

As the British Under 21s is the route onto the World Under 21s (and Tai's a near certainity to progress to them), then surely he has nailed his colours (red, white & blue!!) to the British mast...??!

 

Or has he..??  Let's note for future reference that young Brits like Andrew Tully missed out of the 2007 GB Final; so it was would be a poor state of affairs if indeed someone who opted later to ride for another country progressed at their expense..?? 

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Firstly, I think you must be stupid to think that Woffy wil progress as no way will he beat Bridger round Eastbourne, Nor Eddie Kennet, Nor Daniel King, Nor Ben Wilson,

 

 

Benji came 4th didnt he? go benji!! And good luck in the run-off dude!

 

It surley does mean Tai is riding for Britain? with him being in the british under-21 final?

 

Well done Tai, Josh and Jamie!

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At the end of the day, as soon as Woffy gets good enough for Auz, he will, without a doubt ride for them rather than GB, to me its pointless him being in the team as he will dump us as soon as he gets the opportunity.