Phil Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Reading an article in the Rye House section of the speedway star it say's the next meeting is the first week of August. So keep any ideas or thoughts coming on the relevant or new topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 The next promoters meeting is only a week. I am surprised there is so little discussion in this new section 'The Way Ahead' Many of us are the first to complain about the promoters but so few are willing to suggest possible solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 The next promoters meeting is only a week. Many of us are the first to complain about the promoters but so few are willing to suggest possible solutions. The Premier League is running well as many have said before. The so called "Elite" League should become less elite and get rid of the GP riders with their heavy pay demands. I would be sorry to lose Mark Loram but I cannot see the EL continuing without big cuts in costs. If Ipswich move into the PL next year the league will consist of 7 teams. The GP riders could be put together as a travelling show and hired out for one off meetings at tracks that could afford them. Now I expect a hail of bullets ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylor Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 The next promoters meeting is only a week. I am surprised there is so little discussion in this new section 'The Way Ahead' Many of us are the first to complain about the promoters but so few are willing to suggest possible solutions. Phil, Can I suggest a 'Sticky' in the same vain in each of the other forums to tell 'em we're here? Perhaps they haven't really noticed the section yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 It's soooooooo difficult for us fans to suggest stuff when we don't know the finances. We can only say what we would like to see. I hope that the leagues are disbanded completely and new leagues put into place. There aren't enough teams that want to compete in an Elite League so it has to be 1st and 2nd division. How they can include the GP boys I do not know because PL clubs put the GP riders down as one of their main reasons not to join the EL. Maybe they would agree to 1 per team if wanted? I am concerned that the PL promotors want nothing to do with EL promotors so won't play ball at all, if they can't work together, gord knows what's going to happen! Such bad history (it seems) between the two cannot be forgotten, this happens in many walks of life. Let's hope they can wipe the slates clean SOMEHOW and come up with a new set up they will all be happy with!!!!! We live in much hope!! Us fans are helpless really, our sport is in the hands of these guys, it's up to them to sort it out for us, they owe us that!!!!! One of the most important criteria for fans is to have a reliable regular fixture list for each team, it's not too much to ask is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Let's hope they can wipe the slates clean SOMEHOW and come up with a new set up they will all be happy with!!!!! We live in much hope!! Words of wisdom Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Bring Back...... British & National Leagues, one off World Finals, BLRC & NLRC (oh and Canterbury Speedway please ) Those were the days, wonder if they will ever return :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Personally i'm too naffed off with the constant stupid rule changing to even bother!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Personally i'm too naffed off with the constant stupid rule changing to even bother!! Me too Frigbo :roll: Not to mention the daftest of all in the BLC :x Fans from all walks want the two leagues to work together for the survival of speedway but when you have certain teams willing to shaft others then how do you expect trust to be a consideration :?: :x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Ah I see now from the title of this thread just what is is they get up to at these 'think tank' sessons. But along with the cards I'm sure they'll be playing pin the tail on the donkey for any difficult decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Bring Back...... British & National Leagues, one off World Finals, BLRC & NLRC (oh and Canterbury Speedway please ) Those were the days, wonder if they will ever return :?: We can always dream It would be nice to have some local opposition again. Seems a lifetime ago when I was making the trip to Canterbury on a Friday evening to watch a local derby match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 It would be nice to have some local opposition again. Seems a lifetime ago when I was making the trip to Canterbury on a Friday evening to watch a local derby match. Blimey! You WERE keen going a day early! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 It would be nice to have some local opposition again. Seems a lifetime ago when I was making the trip to Canterbury on a Friday evening to watch a local derby match. Blimey! You WERE keen going a day early! It must be my age Bryn It is alright for you youngsters but I could swear it was Friday. Then again it might have been when Eagles raced on Fridays. :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 It would be nice to have some local opposition again. Seems a lifetime ago when I was making the trip to Canterbury on a Friday evening to watch a local derby match. Blimey! You WERE keen going a day early! I was thinking the same there Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SammyR Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 An Elite League, by definition, needs G.P. riders. But the Elite League, in its present form, suffers too many absences, too much disruption, and has clubs who aren't viable, whilst G.P. riders are the backbone of its teams. Ipswich, for one, have had enough, and Perrin constantly threatens to pull the plug on B.V.'s E.L. future (although he contradicted himself this year with his steak and chips statement). The Elite League looks doomed in its present structure. The conundrum for the promoters now is to find a blueprint for the future, which safeguards all tracks' survival, wherever possible. Let's not look back wistfully wishing for a resurrection of the old British and National Leagues, and let's not imagine that a salary cap is workable, or that promotion and relegation can be implemented in this country. Bold initiatives are needed to ensure that speedway in Britain has a healthy future. I believe that we have to start by excluding G.P. riders from our league teams, and creating two viable divisions where teams can operate according to their income. This is not to drive a wedge between Britain and the FIM/BSI, but to safeguard the continuation of a number of tracks in this country. The BSI boys are very bright; I'm sure that they would come up with a plan to give the G.P. riders enough meetings to satisfy them, so that everyone would be happy with the outcome. Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Man Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 The thing that needs sorting more than anything is the surface we ride on, with the amount of wet summers we are getting, its playing havoc with fixtures, not to mention televised meetings being scuppered,it can't be long before SKY get fed up of things. We've had shale since the late 50's, before that we were on cinders, I cant remember rained off matches on cinders, I can remember riding 40 miles in the rain to a track not thinking one moment that it would be rained off, you couldn't over water cinders. British Rail ran a Special train from Northampton to Coventry every week then, thats how certain it was that the matches would be on,3 carriages full of supporters. There must be an effort made to find a man made material that will not turn to mud,after all in the horse racing game they have all weather tracks and training strips, I beleive they consist of sand and coconut hair, a surface that we could probably ride on. We lose a percentage of fans every year because of rain off's, and the new fans coming in hardly keep pace with those going out And rain off's cost the promotion money. I know its almost impossible to get cinders in large quantity now, but we must find something similar, and soon.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackofdiamonds Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 An Elite League, by definition, needs G.P. riders.But the Elite League, in its present form, suffers too many absences, too much disruption, and has clubs who aren't viable, whilst G.P. riders are the backbone of its teams. Ipswich, for one, have had enough, and Perrin constantly threatens to pull the plug on B.V.'s E.L. future (although he contradicted himself this year with his steak and chips statement). The Elite League looks doomed in its present structure. The conundrum for the promoters now is to find a blueprint for the future, which safeguards all tracks' survival, wherever possible. Let's not look back wistfully wishing for a resurrection of the old British and National Leagues, and let's not imagine that a salary cap is workable, or that promotion and relegation can be implemented in this country. Bold initiatives are needed to ensure that speedway in Britain has a healthy future. I believe that we have to start by excluding G.P. riders from our league teams, and creating two viable divisions where teams can operate according to their income. This is not to drive a wedge between Britain and the FIM/BSI, but to safeguard the continuation of a number of tracks in this country. The BSI boys are very bright; I'm sure that they would come up with a plan to give the G.P. riders enough meetings to satisfy them, so that everyone would be happy with the outcome. Sam. Says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyo Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 surfaces are a problem and cutting costs has lead to a decline in standards of the material used over the last 20 years. the amount of rubbish that turns to mud and dust is greater than it ever was. plus the knowledge required to prepare a good track is being lost. in many ways the position now is worse than at the last great reorganisation in 1965 when the british league was created from the remnants of the national (elite in modern terms) and provincial (premier) leagues. then it was possible to force riders to move to weaker teams from stronger ones but these riders were almost entirely brits and foreign commitmets were unknown. it may be that anyone wanting to ride in the GP's will have to choose as Billy hamill diid this year between britain and europe. But, something along the lines of 65 is needed for the same reasons it was needed then to share out the money between tracks; to equalise rich and poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylor Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 An Elite League, by definition, needs G.P. riders................ The BSI boys are very bright; I'm sure that they would come up with a plan to give the G.P. riders enough meetings to satisfy them, so that everyone would be happy with the outcome. Sam. Some good points in your post Sam. Couple of questions............. If we exclude GP riders then we'd have no Elite League. Would Sky be interested in sponsoring one of the 2 viable divisions? Would having the GP riders competing against each other 3 or 4(?) times a week, to keep their income at it's present level, devalue the GP's and make the other meetings rather , well.............same-ish? Methinks BSI and the broadcasters may not be quite so interested after a short while. I still can't think of anything better than not allowing them to ride for more than one European club and, perhaps restricting clubs to 1 GP rider. Spreading them thinly across 20 or so clubs should reduce running costs somewhat. It's not perfect but where else can the top riders go. They seem to have priced themselves out of the market so will probably have to suffer some of the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 It would be nice to have some local opposition again. Seems a lifetime ago when I was making the trip to Canterbury on a Friday evening to watch a local derby match. Blimey! You WERE keen going a day early! then I was thinking the same there Bryn Well it was a long time ago. 30 years ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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