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Just to question your result of the C Final Conkers(nice to finally meet you :) )I thought Svensson was waiting for Tuinstra.Tuinstra jumped on his bike and raced to the tapes,but was too late and disqualified under the 2 minute rule.Looked on Otties and Annikas web-sites and they also have Svennson winning by default :unsure:

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iris, i have the same result in my programme. some very odd decisions imo but then i'm not the referee and didn't have the same vantage point he did.

 

had a great time and would like to pass on my thanks to Ron and Andy from Eurorider for an excellent trip.

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Line up for Berlin:

1 Markus Skabraut A

2 Sergej Baltashev MFR

3 Antti AAkko SML

4 Mikhail Bogdanov MFR

5 Vitaly Khomitsevich MFR

6 Dmitri Bulankin MFR

7 Antonin Klatovsky ACCR

8 Harald Simon ÖAMTC

9 Stefan Svensson SVEMO

10 Nikolai Krasnikov MFR

11 Günther Bauer DMSB

12 Daniil Ivanov MFR

13 Franz Zorn ÖAMTC

14 Johnny Tuinstra KNMV

15 Ivan Ivanov MFR

16 Stanislav Arkhipov MFR

17 Per Olov Serenius SVEMO

18 Max Niedermaier DMSB

 

As with previous rounds the two lowest scorers in the table will be replaced on Sunday by the Reserves (although if Bauer is in the last two, the rider(s) above him will go, and he will be the Wild Card)

 

iris123  Posted Today, 02:29 PM

  Just to question your result of the C Final Conkers(nice to finally meet you smile.gif )I thought Svensson was waiting for Tuinstra.Tuinstra jumped on his bike and raced to the tapes,but was too late and disqualified under the 2 minute rule.Looked on Otties and Annikas web-sites and they also have Svennson winning by default

 

I didn't quite hear the result of the C Final and went off what Lars Schroer said to me. I've now just checked the official results and Johnny was excluded on two minutes - so I stand corrected. I now need to amend the reports I sent off!

Look forward to see you in Berlin at weekend, I did try to find you on the Sunday, but was unsuccessful.

Now trying to sort out my 950 photos of the meeting into some sort of manageable number!

 

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iris, i have the same result in my programme. some very odd decisions imo but then i'm not the referee and didn't have the same vantage point he did.

 

On Saturday night, when Krasnikov met Bulankin, Nrasnikov wheelied on the back straight and hit Bulankin, knocking him off line, and causing him to slow. After Wojaczek's ruling on Friday when he excluded Pletschacher when he touched Shishegov, I expected the same for Krasnikov but No!

Then when Bulankin (possible one of the fairest Russian riders ever) touched Zorn (which Franky told me didn't worry him as Bulankin did it accidentally) the Ref excludes him! The ref normally goes to the after meeting press conference at Assen. Mr Noel (president of the Jury) was there but Wojaczek wasn't. Some members of the German Press Corps were a bit miffed as they wanted to speak to him.

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:rolleyes:

Good luck with that.950!

I was thinking of phoning you while you were out in the middle,but all the action was down your end(until the Finals)so didn't want to drag you away.

Agree with both of you there were some strange decisions.I guess the ref was over-ruled by the Fim officials with sharing the points between Ivanov and Bulankin.Bit late though,as Dmitri was on his way to the rostrum when he was told :unsure: And did either see what happened with Klabo?Unfair riding.

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Results from GP 5:

 

After 20 Heats:

1. Vitaly Khomitsevich RUS 14

2. Ivan Ivanov RUS 14

3. Mikhail Bogdanov RUS 12

4. Nikolai Krasnikov RUS 11

5. Franz Zorn A 11

6. Dmitri Bulankin RUS 9

7. Günther Bauer D 9

8. Daniil Ivanov RUS 6

9. Markus Skabraut A 5

10. Antti Aakko D 5

11. Antonin Klatovsky CZ 5

12. Harald Simon A 5

13. Sergej Baltashev RUS 4

14. Stefan Svensson SWE 4

15. Per Olov Serenius SWE 4

16. Stanislav Arkhipov RUS 2

17. Johnny Tuinstra NL 0

18. Max Niedermaier D 0

 

A Final:

1. Vitaly Khomitsevich RUS

2. Ivan Ivanov RUS

3. Nikolai Krasnikov RUS

4. Mikhail Bogdanov RUS

 

B Final:

1. Franz Zorn A

2. Günther Bauer D

3. Daniil Ivanov RUS

4. Dmitri Bulankin RUS

 

C Final:

1. Harald Simon A

2. Antonin Klatovsky CZ

3. Markus Skabraut A

4. Antti Aakko D

 

D Final:

1. Sergej Baltashev RUS

2. Per Olov Serenius SWE

3. Stefan Svensson SWE

4. Stanislav Arkhipov RUS

 

Dutchman Johnny Tuinstra fell, and he's in hospital now :(. First messages saying that Johnny broke a vertebra in his back, and something with his lung.

 

After 5 GP's:

 

1. Ivan Ivanov RUS (25 25 16 18 20) 104

2. Vitaly Khomitsevich RUS (16 16 25 20 25) 102

3. Nikolaj Krasnikov RUS (20 18 20 25 18) 101

4. Mikhail Bodganov RUS (18 20 18 13 16) 85

5. Franky Zorn A (14 14 14 14 14) 70

6. Daniil Ivanov RUS (13 13 13 12 12) 63

7. Dmitri Bulankin RUS (12 - 12 16 11) 51

8. Stefan Svensson SWE (10 12 9 10 4) 45

9. Sergej Baltashev RUS (8 10 11 7 6) 42

10. Antti Aakko FIN (6 6 10 4 7) 33

11. Antonin Klatovsky CZ (4 9 3 8 9) 33

12. Harald Simon A (9 4 5 5 10) 33

13. Stanislav Arkhipov RUS (11 11 7 - 3) 32

14. Markus Skabraut A (7 7 4 6 8) 32

15. Johnny Tuinstra NL (3 8 8 9 0) 28

16. Günther Bauer D (5 3 6 0 13) 27

17. Per Olov Serenius SWE (- - - 11 5) 16

18. Max Niedermaier D (0 5 - 3 0) 8

 

Have a look on Zorn his scores, he won the B Final for the 5th time now in this WC :o.

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Sad to hear about Tuinstra.He went crashing intothe bales with Baltachev and both bikes.He did wave to the crowd as they put him in the ambulance,so i hoped it wasn't too bad.Some great racing yesterday,particularly Zorn and Bauer in the B-Final.Great to see Günther back in good form.All down to the A-Final today :D

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is the tv report with the Tuinstra crash.The DMV official says he has no news apart from a couple of broken ribs,but the reporter says from the pits he has heard that Tuinstra has internal injuries and is in intensive care.But that is hopefully unofficial and incorrect Edited by iris123
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Got to agree - best Ice Meeting I've been to for many a year. Some really exiting racing and I got some great pics. They'll be on my site this week.

Good to see the lads from Cradley and Iris123 again, too. Also I met German Speedway Fan in our hotel and never got around to buying him a beer.

And yes I was very embarrassed to have my 50th Birthday announced to the crowd!

Thank god for the Finnish Vodka and Lordi Coke afterwards eh FSP!

 

 

On a serious note, I believe that Johnny T has sustained a cracked or broken vertebrae and punctured his lung in two places as a result of his fall. I did speak to his mechanic on Sunday but I didn't get to speak to Mrs T as she was at the Hospital. I will try and contact some friends in Holland over the next few days and see if I can find out more about him.

I'll keep you all posted.

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