Merlin Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 (edited) On the other hand Craig Watson has yet to ride for Glasgow and, should Glasgow's meeting against Birmingham be a rain victim, you could have the ridiculous situation of a rider representing a team in the pairs who had never ridden for them! Incidentally David McAllan is third in the Glasgow averages, not Trent Leverington, according to Michael Max. Although Edinburgh did get the wild card they presumably got it because they were next in line in the combined averages with Correy and Pijper riding for them. Newcastle complained that Pijper's average couldn't count since he did not have a 2007 average for the Premier League and had not ridden for the Monarchs prior to the cut-off date. Newcastle were next in line in the averages after Edinburgh so got the'wild card' instead. I can see some similarities with the Glasgow/Watson situation. Edited June 22, 2007 by Merlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Merlin as at the cut off date Edinburgh were 10th in the averages so not the next in line at all. They were merely a wild card at random in the same way Birmingham were in the fours The two situations are not similar other than in that the supporters are yet again left in the dark, as Glasgow qualified as of right as per the very few rules that we know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Merlin as at the cut off date Edinburgh were 10th in the averages so not the next in line at all. They were merely a wild card at random in the same way Birmingham were in the fours The two situations are not similar other than in that the supporters are yet again left in the dark, as Glasgow qualified as of right as per the very few rules that we know of. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do you work that out? There are ten teams in the tournament and Edinburgh were tenth in the averages so not next in line?? Eh? When William Lawson was replaced by Theo Pijper it was Pijper's situation ( the same as Watson's) which effectively ruled the Monarchs out. Apart from that though, whether a wild card or not, riders have to be eligible to ride in the tournament in terms of the rules. Theo Pijper apparently did not meet the criteria so how on earth can Craig Watson? I maintain that the two situations are very similar indeed, if not near identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 How do you work that out? There are ten teams in the tournament and Edinburgh were tenth in the averages so not next in line?? Eh? When William Lawson was replaced by Theo Pijper it was Pijper's situation ( the same as Watson's) which effectively ruled the Monarchs out. Apart from that though, whether a wild card or not, riders have to be eligible to ride in the tournament in terms of the rules. Theo Pijper apparently did not meet the criteria so how on earth can Craig Watson? I maintain that the two situations are very similar indeed, if not near identical. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am not saying both aren't farcical - the way the edinburgh situation was handled was disgraceful - but what don't you understand about a difference between a team QUALIFYING BY RIGHT and a team being given a wildcard. Check out what I said about the fours and the Stoney situation - there can be no doubt in my mind that Glasgow still qualify as they qualified at the required cut off date. The precedent has already been set with Stoney and indeed David at the fours that the qualification criteria and the riders appearing in the event are mutually exclusive, stupid although that seems to you and I. What ISN'T clear is who Glasgow field with Shane, Wato (a la Stoney in the fours, he has replaced a rider), Trent (3rd ave at the date of the event) or David (3rd ave at time of qualification). Edinburgh could not include Pijpers average as at qusalification date Will was not an Edinburgh rider and Theo had not ridden so presumably it would actually have been Matthew (?? I'm guessing there) that the Super7 crowd used as teh second average, something I overlooked as I used Will. Again harking back to the Stoney case, they seem to have decreeed that for your average to count towards the qualifying criteria you have to have ridden for the club, even just once. Theo Hadn't. To ride in an event that isn't taken into account when you are a new rider replacing an old one (as opposed to cover for an injured rider. Why make anything simple eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 The two situations are not similar other than in that the supporters are yet again left in the dark, as Glasgow qualified as of right as per the very few rules that we know of. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you mean there are rules???????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KayJay Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 There is now an announcement on the Super7 website that Craig Watson WILL replace George Stancl. They have justified this as "in the best interests of the fans as it is such short notice" http://www.super7even.com/plpairs.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 There is now an announcement on the Super7 website that Craig Watson WILL replace George Stancl. They have justified this as "in the best interests of the fans as it is such short notice" http://www.super7even.com/plpairs.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's good to hear Commonsense prevails for once . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbj Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 It has been announced that Glasgow will have Shane Parker and Craig Watson in the meeting and personally i dont find this fair on other clubs. Your views please...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 It has been announced that Glasgow will have Shane Parker and Craig Watson in the meeting and personally i dont find this fair on other clubs. Your views please...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Very unfair and I also noticed that they have Watson in their 4TT team when Redcar got shot out when Havvy and Matty T were injured. Another example of the promoters making the rules up as they go along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 LOL well done BSPA. I take it they want the 3 wasps fans to turn up. Go back to proper logical qualification for the pairs a put the 4TT back to the old regional qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervjankefanclub Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 LOL well done BSPA. I take it they want the 3 wasps fans to turn up. Go back to proper logical qualification for the pairs a put the 4TT back to the old regional qualifiers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> have to agree with you about the fours dekker the old 4tt qualifiers were excellent and big local crowds means more revenue for promoters as has been mentioned many times before and the supporters as far as i can remember have never been given any explanation as to why they were scrapped as for the pairs as a glasgow fan im happy our strongest pair is there just like the vast majority of other clubs fans would be if the shoe was on the other foot thats the bspa for you like it or not although i would like to see the pairs being run the way it used to be with 16 clubs represented if we only have 15 then have the next best pair or another pair from the host track or even the top two youngsters from the conference it was a lot more prestigous and creditable back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well that really does take the proverbial. As I said before no rules and everything at Mr Chapman's whims. Hope you are proud of making a mockery of these competitions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowGuy Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 It has been announced that Glasgow will have Shane Parker and Craig Watson in the meeting and personally i dont find this fair on other clubs. Your views please...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well as a Glasgow fan, naturally I'm delighted that our best 2 riders (hopefully!) will represent the club on friday night. From a staging, paying supporter, entertainment and quality field point of view this has got to be the right decision. Whether there is any truly like-for-like comparison inconsistencies in reaching this decision as far as other clubs/riders are concerned I'm not certain. Am sure it will attract some Tiger supporting welshfolk along on Friday - now there's a first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 have to agree with you about the fours dekker the old 4tt qualifiers were excellent and big local crowds means more revenue for promoters as has been mentioned many times before and the supporters as far as i can remember have never been given any explanation as to why they were scrapped the Southern softies made a loss so the Northern folk suffered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 So the peoples champions , the glorious Glasgow Tigers , will be at full strength come PL pairs night . So the great and the good will come to the party to try and wrestle the title from Glasgow's trophy room . We shall see . Now we have that sorted , we should've went for Jason Crump instead , we can get round to the other amendment to the rules i.e. the one about if it's a Glasgow / Somerset final then Zorro goes off a 30 metre handicap . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHart Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Whether glasgow have stancl or watson,they are better than newport etc,stop whinging and get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batesie Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 this cant be right as am i missing sumthing <text speak removed> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Icicle Thief Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 The way both these events have been managed is a disgrace not only because of the way it affects my club but the image of the sport. The decision not to reseed the fours leaving out the bears will mean that we will not have been in either 4tt and only one pairs in our first two years, yet the brummies are in both in their first year (not their fault I know) and still people claim we have an advantage due to CVS's position within the BSPA I guess its their loss I will take my cash elsewhere and not to Peterborugh, lets hope for a return of the qualifiers next year but I am not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 this cant be right as am i missing sumthing <text speak removed> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Batsie i see by your avatar you're a Comets fan . Therefore it's a bit ironic that you're moaning about this as it was the example of Carl Stonehewer being able to ride for Workington in the fours when he signed after the cut-off date that Glasgow used as their arguement . Anyway there is no need to make a big deal of this as the Pairs isn't really an important meeting in the grand scheme of things . It's just a good night out on the eve of a more important meeting -------Mildenhall v Glasgow . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHart Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 so,what you would rather see,simmons and morris or burza and rempala coming last every race than parker and watson being competitive he hasnt ridden for them yet fair enough but he will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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