Mauger_Magic Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) Every team should be represented....as we are not in.....stuff it! Edited May 3, 2007 by Mauger_Magic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevan Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I totally agree that ALL PL teams should be included in a series of knockout events leading upto the semi's and final that way the best PL foursome wins and can claim they are truely the top 4 man team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Its going to be so awesome to see the Rye boys woop ass at The East of England Schmowground..... i used to support the panthers and went loads from about 97 to 05 but haven't bin there for a while because of poor track, no racing etc. But it will be awesome to see my current team the ROCKETS take off at the showground. Defo better racing at rye than peterborough!!  ......if only to support Chappo and his super 7even match. ......  COME ON ROCKETS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> these are the wind up bits right?.... poor track,no racing- and you watch the concrete cowboys??? and who,outside of tractorland,supports chappo? oh and i take it you are a well travelled supporter,but have obviously never been to the fours at peterborough???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Who was the last team to win the 4s at a neutral venue ? just out of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 With Havvy not available the best 4 isn't high enough <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Sorry Shoddy but it is. If it wasn't then I'd quite happily forget about it (well maybe happily is the wrong word, we all want to see our teams qualify don't we ) Â As stated in my other posts at the cut off for qualification the combined current averages for Grieves, Tresarrieu, Kerr and Kessler was higher than that of the top 4 of Somerset, Sheffield and Birmingham - all of whom are now in the competition! Â I know I'm wasting my breath (not with you, but with the 'powers that be' ) but it's so infuriating to be kicked out of a competition you should be in just because someone obviously doesn't think your side is attractive enough without it's star man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) Sorry Shoddy but it is. If it wasn't then I'd quite happily forget about it (well maybe happily is the wrong word, we all want to see our teams qualify don't we ) As stated in my other posts at the cut off for qualification the combined current averages for Grieves, Tresarrieu, Kerr and Kessler was higher than that of the top 4 of Somerset, Sheffield and Birmingham - all of whom are now in the competition!  I know I'm wasting my breath (not with you, but with the 'powers that be' ) but it's so infuriating to be kicked out of a competition you should be in just because someone obviously doesn't think your side is attractive enough without it's star man. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  No it's not - you missed the point of my posting that the best available 4 from your current 1 to 7, as declared to the BSPA, isn't high enough.  I know that side is high enough but I am saying that Tresarrieu and Kessler are not both in your current declared line up so I guess the BSPA view is that you can't name that top 4 as it has to be either Matt or Robbie.  Personally, in the name of common sense, I'd let Redcar take part, even though it is my team that misses out, but to the letter of the law the organisers are right. With Havvy injured, the top 4 available Redcar riders from the current declared line up wouldn't qualify. I'm just trying to explain their reasoning but as I said I think it's unfair you're out of it so don't shoot the messenger!!! Edited May 3, 2007 by Shoddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) As stated in my other posts at the cut off for qualification the combined current averages for Grieves, Tresarrieu, Kerr and Kessler was higher than that of the top 4 of Somerset, Sheffield and Birmingham - all of whom are now in the competition!But you can't have Tressarieu AND Kessler! Otherwise some team would just delcare tomorrow with Craig Watson, then drop him and redlare with Andy Smith then drop him and redeclare with Paul Thorp and then redeclare with Paul Fry! If Newport did that, then that 4 would be their qualifying 4, but they'd have only ever had 1 ride for them in each meeting!! They'd have Phil Morris as reserve  I don't see the problem with Redcar, it's Workington being allowed to stay in that I find a joke! Their top 4 is now Wright, Niemanen, Branney and Carpenesse. Edited May 3, 2007 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigh Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I've never yet been to a 4s final at EOES that has been poorly attended. It's the best racing day of the year IMHO and I salute the decision to take it back to it's spiritual home. Â I have my fingers crossed for good weather, to allow the cricket and picnics to go nicely and a well prepared fair track. I hope all the teams ride well and we are treated to a fantastic display of speedway skills. Being the realist I am tho, I guess there will be a few poor races but hey if the sun shines and the best team on the day wins I'll be happy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm in total agreement SL Â I'll be there, looking forward to it already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em1500uk Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I should be going Never been to a 4s event before and I've never been to 'boro, so it's all new to me lol. I hope we have good weather on that Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Well i shall be there but probably a bit tired after the trip down from Berwick where we are racing the night before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I totally agree that ALL PL teams should be included in a series of knockout events leading upto the semi's and final that way the best PL foursome wins and can claim they are truely the top 4 man team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>   You've won the lottery I take it Swede and will sponsor same? Back in "the good old days" (for want of a better expression although there must BE one), if you take the old Southern Qualifying group as example involving Eastbourne, Canterbury, Rye House and Crayford, they were all fairly local tracks, fans from all clubs travelled to all the meetings leading to above average attendances. That way costs of paying 20 riders wages (four per side plus reserve), allied travel expenses etc for effectively three away meetings from one home gate were, perhaps, viable. DON'T think (granted no hard evidence one way or the other) that might necessarily be the case in this day and age.  Just my view  Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevcfc Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Who was the last team to win the 4s at a neutral venue ? just out of interest. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  I remember Worky winning it at Peterborough , think that might have been the last one  I'm sure I watched this meeting on Sly and it was very enjoyable (well it was bound to be for a Comets fan ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) After losing Chris Kerr tonight in another horrific looking crash it matters not a jot to Bears fans anymore anyway!  Good luck to all who fought, bought or cheated their way into the final !  Shoddy, wasn't shooting the messenger - I've no axe to grind with you whatever  SCB - Redcar didn't drop anybody! Losing riders to injury and replacing them is a completely different matter. Edited May 3, 2007 by Boothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Biased as my view may be to say this, but it will be a lesser event for not having teams like Edinburgh and Berwick in it , two teams who travel well to the bigger events and always have a decent following. Â I mean at events like the P.L.R.C at Sheffield or even when the 4s were at Peterborough in the past both teams used to run at least a coach full of fans which is more than can be said for some teams in this event. Â Good point, certain teams that take a good away following unfortunately not there. Mildenhall for example would have taken loads, especially on a Sunday and the short distance. Last year at the pairs and fours, there was certain teams who appearred to have no support at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Â Last year at the pairs and fours, there was certain teams who appearred to have no support at all <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As opposed to certain teams that just didn't appear . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 My apologies for the 'bought and cheated' jibe last night. Bit of a stressful evening! Â Calmed down a bit now. Â Nothing will change my mind that Redcar should be in the Final though. Â Best of luck to all the finalists (...as if I care ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 so did you ask Jonathan Chapman for any reasons last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 The trouble is with all this is if we have qualifying rounds they will be localised.....Thus one round would have Kings Lynn,Rye House,Mildenhall and probably Somerset...3 of which have made the finals due to averages then you would have Berwick,Newcastle,Edinburgh,Glasgow......!!!!!! Â So really and truthfully the only fair way would be to have qualifying rounds but draw teams out of the hat for them...So Kings Lynn v Glasgow v Isle Of Wight v Newport....Great idea!!!!!!!!!...sure the riders would love them..... Â All i hear are people moaning about the rules...but any rules brought in will be shot down in flames by someone....So Mr Chapman is in a no win situation...... Â jaybea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 so did you ask Jonathan Chapman for any reasons last night? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Nope, believe you me last night would not have been a good night for me to ask Mr. Chapman anything  Would have made last years "Security to the Referee's Box" pale into insignificance  All in the past and forgotten now........   ........until the Pairs eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Nope, believe you me last night would not have been a good night for me to ask Mr. Chapman anything  Would have made last years "Security to the Referee's Box" pale into insignificance   All in the past and forgotten now........ ........until the Pairs eh? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  that's a shame ... if you ask the question i'm sure he would answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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