Premier League 4 Team Tournament

[BelteshazzarBee]

Its going to be so awesome to see the Rye boys woop ass at The East of England Schmowground. By the way i used to support the panthers and went loads from about 97 to 05 but haven't bin there for a while because of poor track, no racing etc. But it will be awesome to see my current team the ROCKETS take off at the showground.

 

Defo better racing at rye than peterborough!!

 

I know its a bit early but i hope all of you hardcore PL fans will show up for this meeting if only to support Chappo and his super 7even match. i would laugh if there was a bumper crowd for PL action and then a poor crowd for the next panthers borefest. If i go to cheer on the Rye boys i want there to be a super atmosphere, i can see it now that if i do go there will only be 5 people and a dog there and it will be so quiet u could hear a pin drop. lets hope not eh, lets show the EL boys how its done and how to support your team.

 

COME ON ROCKETS

Edited May 3, 2007 by Saulyistheman

[John Hannibal Thomas]

Sorry but Rye will be laughable around the showground.

The premier league as a whole are missing out on the most exciting prospects the PL has ever seen in Carl Wilkonson and Jonas Raun.

this counts as a non-event as far the masses are concerned.

[The SAINT]

Its going to be so awesome to see the Rye boys woop ass at The East of England Schmowground. By the way i used to support the panthers and went loads from about 97 to 05 but haven't bin there for a while because of poor track, no racing etc. But it will be awesome to see my current team the ROCKETS take off at the showground.

 

Defo better racing at rye than peterborough!!

 

I know its a bit early but i hope all of you hardcore PL fans will show up for this meeting if only to support Chappo and his super 7even match. i would laugh if there was a bumper crowd for PL action and then a poor crowd for the next panthers borefest. If i go to cheer on the Rye boys i want there to be a super atmosphere, i can see it now that if i do go there will only be 5 people and a dog there and it will be so quiet u could hear a pin drop. lets hope not eh, lets show the EL boys how its done and how to support your team.

 

COME ON ROCKETS

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this is a wind-up, right?

[Star Lady]

Its going to be so awesome to see the Rye boys woop ass at The East of England Schmowground. By the way i used to support the panthers and went loads from about 97 to 05 but haven't bin there for a while because of poor track, no racing etc. But it will be awesome to see my current team the ROCKETS take off at the showground.

 

Defo better racing at rye than peterborough!!

 

I know its a bit early but i hope all of you hardcore PL fans will show up for this meeting if only to support Chappo and his super 7even match. i would laugh if there was a bumper crowd for PL action and then a poor crowd for the next panthers borefest. If i go to cheer on the Rye boys i want there to be a super atmosphere, i can see it now that if i do go there will only be 5 people and a dog there and it will be so quiet u could hear a pin drop. lets hope not eh, lets show the EL boys how its done and how to support your team.

 

COME ON ROCKETS

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Are we really supposed to take seriously the view of a fan that wants a club to get poor crowds with all that could possibly lead to .

[The Third Man]

According to the Star today Redcar were given a deadline of last Friday to indicate whether Gary Havelock would be fit and as we couldn't guarantee this 'Redcar had to pull out under competition rules' Ha Bloody Ha !

 

It also states that 'the Teesside club made a late appeal to stay in by including new signing Robbie Kessler in their quartet. Said Sheffield chief Neil Machin: "The rules are quite clear.." (   ) "and even though Redcar wanted to include new signing Robbie Kessler on his starting average this season rather than his current figure, they had to pull out"

 

Right that'll be the Neil Machin whose Sheffield team are replacing us in the competition.

 

The fact is that we don't need to take Robbies starting average, or his current average all that should matter, and "the rules are quite clear" is his average as at qualifiaction shut off date 13/04/07. Robbie average then was 4.76. If you replace Gary's average at that point (10.52) with Robbies 4.76 you have a difference of 5.76. Take the 5.76 off our qualifying averages from the Super7 PL 4TT details on the website and this leaves us with a combined average of 29.89 for our quartet STILL above both Somerset and Sheffield. And I don't want any of this crap about Robbie's average being for Sheffield - at least he'd ridden official matches this year - Workingtons quartet contain Carl Stonehewer who on the cut off date was still in retirement and hadn't turned a wheel in anger.

 

UNFAIR

 

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In full agreement, sheffield should have been in from the begining, redcar should not have had to pull out, and have to disagree with Mr Machin, there are no rules, as there arnt for the pairs either

[The Third Man]

Its going to be so awesome to see the Rye boys woop ass at The East of England Schmowground. By the way i used to support the panthers and went loads from about 97 to 05 but haven't bin there for a while because of poor track, no racing etc. But it will be awesome to see my current team the ROCKETS take off at the showground.

 

Defo better racing at rye than peterborough!!

 

I know its a bit early but i hope all of you hardcore PL fans will show up for this meeting if only to support Chappo and his super 7even match. i would laugh if there was a bumper crowd for PL action and then a poor crowd for the next panthers borefest. If i go to cheer on the Rye boys i want there to be a super atmosphere, i can see it now that if i do go there will only be 5 people and a dog there and it will be so quiet u could hear a pin drop. lets hope not eh, lets show the EL boys how its done and how to support your team.

 

COME ON ROCKETS

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but will they have a team or will all 7 get injured the night before

[redcarluvva]

I certainly won't be going, seeing as though Redcar have been forced to surrender their place.

[Shoddy]

According to the Star today Redcar were given a deadline of last Friday to indicate whether Gary Havelock would be fit and as we couldn't guarantee this 'Redcar had to pull out under competition rules' Ha Bloody Ha !

 

It also states that 'the Teesside club made a late appeal to stay in by including new signing Robbie Kessler in their quartet. Said Sheffield chief Neil Machin: "The rules are quite clear.." (   ) "and even though Redcar wanted to include new signing Robbie Kessler on his starting average this season rather than his current figure, they had to pull out"

 

Right that'll be the Neil Machin whose Sheffield team are replacing us in the competition.

 

The fact is that we don't need to take Robbies starting average, or his current average all that should matter, and "the rules are quite clear" is his average as at qualifiaction shut off date 13/04/07. Robbie average then was 4.76. If you replace Gary's average at that point (10.52) with Robbies 4.76 you have a difference of 5.76. Take the 5.76 off our qualifying averages from the Super7 PL 4TT details on the website and this leaves us with a combined average of 29.89 for our quartet STILL above both Somerset and Sheffield. And I don't want any of this crap about Robbie's average being for Sheffield - at least he'd ridden official matches this year - Workingtons quartet contain Carl Stonehewer who on the cut off date was still in retirement and hadn't turned a wheel in anger.

 

UNFAIR

 

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Is Kessler not a replacement for Tressarieu though and not Havvy? Is Tressarieu going to be fit to ride in this meeting - if not the Redcar 4 would be Grieves, Kerr, Kessler and Giffard (I think) which is surely below the Somerset and Sheffield figures?

 

If Redcar can track a side with a higher figure than Sheffield then this decision is more ridiculous than the inclusion of Birmingham for no, apparently, sensible reason.

 

It would of course be good if the website carried the full averages and information so we could see the reasons. Surely not difficult?

 

We could ask the BSPA about it but I assume the request would go to the back of their queue. As I'm still looking forward to a response about my question on the rider gradings for reserves I wouldn't expect anything back too soon. You could try the great journalists at Speedway Star but they're no better at replying to anything that isn't cooing over how great they are evidently!

 

It could well be that the inclusion of Birmingham has a genuine reason and the pulling of Redcar also makes total sense but it's obviously too hard for them to avoid any questions with clear and informative press releases.

[Midnight_Lady]

It's a shambles all round Same old same old!

 

There has been no credulous thought given to the qualifying criteria and I don't expect the pairs to be any different.

[Shoddy]

Are we not missing the point though that Redcar without Havvy should be out??? Seems a bit easy to jump on them at the moment but if it's the right decision to take a weaker side out then it's fair enough isn't it? (And I'm not saying that just because it's Sheffield who have benefitted here).

 

Not fully explained but their line up is going to be Grieves, Kerr, Giffard and Kessler or Tressarieu. Can anyone give averages for them that will come to more than Somerset or Sheffield?

 

Still waiting for an honest and reasonable answer on why Birmingham were included to start with??? If it's because they wanted to help a new club then at least say it but the reasoning that Ostergaard has home advantage is frankly still b******s!

Edited May 3, 2007 by Shoddy

[BelteshazzarBee]

Are we really supposed to take seriously the view of a fan that wants a club to get poor crowds with all that could possibly lead to .

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Whatever, i would be just as pleased if both meetings got 5-10,000 but knowing Peterborough like i do i think the fours will pull more fans than the EL meetings usually do, look at it logically there will be hopefully fans from 8 PL teams there supporting thier riders and maybe panthers fans aswell. You know i make sense Star Lady. Any way i didn't say i wanted it to happen i just said it would be laughable. Peterborough have had poor crowds over the last 5 years sorry if i offended you missy, would that be speedway star in your name or Kings Lynn stars.

 

In response to John Thomas they prob won't be as good as Zorro and Shane Parker who are former panthers and top PL riders.

 

And in response to The SAINT no its not a wind up i just want it to be a bumper crowd because i am not prepared to go to the schmowground if it is half full with no atmosphere... sorry for wishing it to pull a big crowd. I am guessing your one of those fans that wont travel the extra miles to support what is going to be a gd meeting.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Saulyistheman

[Star Lady]

Whatever your views of Peterboro (or any other club) and the standard of racing/atmosphere they serve up, to wish a poor crowd on them without thinking of the consequences is a very poor thing to do.

I've never yet been to a 4s final at EOES that has been poorly attended. It's the best racing day of the year IMHO and I salute the decision to take it back to it's spiritual home.

I have my fingers crossed for good weather, to allow the cricket and picnics to go nicely and a well prepared fair track. I hope all the teams ride well and we are treated to a fantastic display of speedway skills. Being the realist I am tho, I guess there will be a few poor races but hey if the sun shines and the best team on the day wins I'll be happy.

It's Star as in Lynn BTW .

[Boothers]

It doesn't matter who Kessler is replacing, at the moment he has signed for Redcar for a month and is a Redcar rider. Redcars top 4 available riders (the only qualification needed as far as I'm aware) are Grieves, Tresarrieu, Kerr and Kessler. As I stated in my last post at the qualification cut off date their combined 'current' averages were higher than both Somerset and Sheffield. I wouldn't give a monkeys if the averages for our 'second' team were less than Sheffields and Birminghams but this isn't the case. Redcar have 'qualified' twice for the final of this competition but are still booted out.

[wjm]

I will say this for one thing , it wont be as well attended as the Play Off Final.

 

I thought this would have been in the 4s section but hey ho.

 

 

I don't see a great crowd being at the 4s, as i have already said, Charlie Chapmans idea of re inventing theses events seems to be putting them back to venues where they were moved from about 5 years ago.

 

 

The reason the venue was changed ? poorly attended.

 

I was trying to think what like the crowd was at the last 4s at Showground which Workington won ? on the TV.

 

Biased as my view may be to say this, but it will be a lesser event for not having teams like Edinburgh and Berwick in it , two teams who travel well to the bigger events and always have a decent following.

 

I mean at events like the P.L.R.C at Sheffield or even when the 4s were at Peterborough in the past both teams used to run at least a coach full of fans which is more than can be said for some teams in this event.

Edited May 3, 2007 by wjm

[marron]

I'm not as the Boro have their last game of the season at home that day. COME ON THE BORO!!!!!!

[The Third Man]

Are we not missing the point though that Redcar without Havvy should be out???  Seems a bit easy to jump on them at the moment but if it's the right decision to take a weaker side out then it's fair enough isn't it?  (And I'm not saying that just because it's Sheffield who have benefitted here).

 

Not fully explained but their line up is going to be Grieves, Kerr, Giffard and Kessler or Tressarieu.  Can anyone give averages for them that will come to more than Somerset or Sheffield?

 

Still waiting for an honest and reasonable answer on why Birmingham were included to start with???  If it's because they wanted to help a new club then at least say it but the reasoning that Ostergaard has home advantage is frankly still b******s!

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averages are not relevant after the cut off date or workington would be out as one of their riders didnt have an average as he hadnt riden a meeting this year, and one rider had and average based on one uncompleted ride.

 

i was told by a promoter that once the cut off date had passed the TEAM had qualified and what happened to the riders after that was not relevant, unless you happen to be Redcar of course.

 

Could all have been cleared up by publishing the rules before the start of the season, but that doesnt allow for juggling does it.

 

Perhaps someone from Redcar should ask Mr Chapman tonight why redcar have withdrawn, and let us know the answer?

 

Same will happen with the pairs as we dont know much about that subject either

Edited May 3, 2007 by The Third Man

[Shortcrust]

Being called 'missy' by a 16-25 SL? Now that's got to make you feel good.

 

What a strange initial post I look forward to seeing some of this 'woop ass' stuff from Rye House with anticipation.

[Shoddy]

It doesn't matter who Kessler is replacing, at the moment he has signed for Redcar for a month and is a Redcar rider. Redcars top 4 available riders (the only qualification needed as far as I'm aware) are Grieves, Tresarrieu, Kerr and Kessler. As I stated in my last post at the qualification cut off date their combined 'current' averages were higher than both Somerset and Sheffield. I wouldn't give a monkeys if the averages for our 'second' team were less than Sheffields and Birminghams but this isn't the case. Redcar have 'qualified' twice for the final of this competition but are still booted out.

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I can see where you're coming from but I assume that at the moment the declared Redcar 1 to 7 is Havvy, Grieves, Kerr, Kessler, Giffard, Courtney and Auty/Hodgson.

 

With Havvy not available the best 4 isn't high enough and if Tressarieu comes back in time then Kessler won't be in the declared team anymore. As such the Redcar team doesn't qualify whatever averages you use.

 

I'm not saying it's fair or sensible but it does technically stack up although personally I think a bit of common sense may have been applied with Redcar allowed to use Grieves, Kerr, Kessler and Tressarieu. It's not like Kessler would be a guest who hasn't ridden for the club so it would seem an obvious way for Redcar not to be punished for being unfortunate with injuries. All that said is the French lad going to be fit in time for this anyway?

 

 

 

 

 

averages are not relevant after the cut off date or workington would be out as one of their riders didnt have an average as he hadnt riden a meeting this year, and one rider had and average based on one uncompleted ride.

 

i was told by a promoter that once the cut off date had passed the TEAM had qualified and what happened to the riders after that was not relevant, unless you happen to be Redcar of course.

 

Could all have been cleared up by publishing the rules before the start of the season, but that doesnt allow for juggling does it.

 

Perhaps someone from Redcar should ask Mr Chapman tonight why redcar have withdrawn, and let us know the answer?

 

Same will happen with the pairs as we dont know much about that subject either

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I'm not saying that - I am saying the best 4 riders Redcar could line up with don't qualify on whatever averages you take. I assume for Workington they are saying that if a rider hasn't gained an average then they use their previous figure? Makes sense but not sure if I agree with it or not personally - seems harsh punishing them because Wright was injured by not allowing his last average to count although sneaking Stoney in for Hansen who is 2 points lower at cut off hardly seems sporting.

 

Agree in full with you on everything else. If the TEAM qualified at the cut off date and clubs were told this then Redcar should take this up with a lawyer. If sides could be changed after the date it took one line on the website to clear this up but evidently they cannot be bothered explaining why they do anything to the fans.

 

In my opinion nothing too sinister has taken place with any of the decisions (Birmingham in, Redcar out and Workington still in) but they've just not explained anything and had the rules been in place and made clear then nobody could have moaned.

 

Question - Will they learn anything from this before the pairs?

 

Answer (I suspect) - Will they ****!

[Shadders]

Rye will get absloutely nothing from this. Look for a bottom of the group finish and an early exit.

[The Third Man]

The big problem is (as everyone but the organisers of the event can see) is that the only rules we know about are the cut off date and that 7 teams qualify and one is to be seeded, but nothing else.

 

We only want someone to tell us what the rules are (and for the pairs) however this should have been done before the season and not after things have been done, no transparency, everything cloudy as usual in speedway and upset supporters, but what do we matter anyway