stevehone Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 ok, so people want qualifiers back, i know i do, i used to enjoy them. there are 15 teams in the PL, we used to have groups of 4 in the qualifiers, the numbers don't go. so what do we do, have 3 groups of 5? thats called the premier trophy and it's been done. are the qualifiers meant to be regional like they used to be? is that the fairest way to do it, or should there be a draw where you could get a group of Somerset - Glasgow - Workington - Kings Lynn. not really a money spinner is it, and that used to be the main reason for having the regional qualifiers. so what are the ideas for the qualifiers? how do they get worked out? what would people like to see? no matter what happens, you are always going to upset people, it will never work out how it 'should', teams won't qualify that 'should', and people will always moan about it on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Interesting that a few think including Craig Watson in the Glasgow side would be a mockery, as he hasn't ridden yet for us but nobody seems to be bothered about Stonehewer and Wright taking part for Worky.Who if memory serves me right had ridden a grand total of 1 match BETWEEN them before the original cut off date!!! Until the promoters bring back the qualifying rounds this arguing is always going to happen <{POST_SNAPBACK}> think if you check back quite a few people mentioned the fact the Stonehewer didnt have an average and that wrights average was based on one ride that he did not complete. no answer from anyone in authority about this has been forthcoming many people have asked what the criteria for the wild card was as well no answer from anyone in authority about this has been forthcoming i never understood why redcar were kicked out of the competition, but then i never understood why birmingham got the wildcard entry either. so not getting at any other teams but we were given the very basic rules, and then teams have put in and taken out at the whim of somebody, same as in the pairs. the super 7s revamping hasnt worked and there has no statement from either the BSPA or chapman. the so called organiser, about any of the above, i think next season thay should dispence with the crap and just say we will invite the teams / riders we want and we tell the fans where they are going to be held a couple of weeks before they take place. Then the supporters will know as much about what is happening as we do now but at least we would have nothing to complain about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 ....................... FREE THE REDCAR FOUR .......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crikeythatsfast Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Pleased you find it so funny. Would it be as funny if it were king's lynn in redcar's place? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually I have to say firstly I would be a little upset, but it has happened before to many clubs, so believe me when I say I do sympathise. But you need to take a stand back and look at this argument which is tired, repetative and almost like watching two kiddies squabbling over the last sweetie in the pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Actually I have to say firstly I would be a little upset, but it has happened before to many clubs, so believe me when I say I do sympathise. But you need to take a stand back and look at this argument which is tired, repetative and almost like watching two kiddies squabbling over the last sweetie in the pack. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stand back...look at the argument.....and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) Actually I have to say firstly I would be a little upset, but it has happened before to many clubs, so believe me when I say I do sympathise. But you need to take a stand back and look at this argument which is tired, repetative and almost like watching two kiddies squabbling over the last sweetie in the pack. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If thats the way it looks to you, then whos the kiddie PS...How do you take a stand back. Edited June 27, 2007 by cheekycobra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Stand back...look at the argument.....and? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> realise that 15 into 8 doesn't go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 realise that 15 into 8 doesn't go <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Think we realise that but Mildenhall, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Newport, Berwick, Stoke and Glasgow should all not be in. Glasgow just because they have brought Wato in and he won't have rode many meetings by the time the 4TT comes around. Like I have said before the whole Super7even series is a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crikeythatsfast Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 think if you check back quite a few people mentioned the fact the Stonehewer didnt have an average and that wrights average was based on one ride that he did not complete. no answer from anyone in authority about this has been forthcoming many people have asked what the criteria for the wild card was as well no answer from anyone in authority about this has been forthcoming i never understood why redcar were kicked out of the competition, but then i never understood why birmingham got the wildcard entry either. so not getting at any other teams but we were given the very basic rules, and then teams have put in and taken out at the whim of somebody, same as in the pairs. the super 7s revamping hasnt worked and there has no statement from either the BSPA or chapman. the so called organiser, about any of the above, i think next season thay should dispence with the crap and just say we will invite the teams / riders we want and we tell the fans where they are going to be held a couple of weeks before they take place. Then the supporters will know as much about what is happening as we do now but at least we would have nothing to complain about <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All the moaning and groaning will not change the organisers minds, and AFAIK it's a committee that makes the choices and rules is it not, not just one person! And The Third man, I defend our promoter like you would defend yours, if that makes me a sheep then sobeit, if MR Chapman had organised the whole super7 thing on his own I would be the first to say hang on thats not right, BUT he is just one person in a committee is he not? If the case is that there is a committee, and I have knowledge of committee's as I have chaired a lot of them, the majority vote decisions count, regardless of how the minority feel. No one is going to win this heated debate, it's been going round and round for a while now, they shouldnt be in it, we should etc...etc. Will it change the decisions made, I doubt it, in a perfect world no one would be excluded, but this is reality. And I'm sorry if my comments have upset anyone, however I will continue to defend my point of view which we are all entitled to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 realise that 15 into 8 doesn't go <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes it does... You leave out 7. But why should Redcar be in the 7. Aint that the argument the Redcar fans are saying. We deserve to be there as we have 4 ORIGINAL riders and not guest's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crikeythatsfast Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) Stand back...look at the argument.....and? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lol if you have to ask then Its really not worth me explaining This is my last comment on the subject as clearly there are some on here who are not prepared to listen to any reasoned debate at all. Edited June 27, 2007 by crikeythatsfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Actually I have to say firstly I would be a little upset, but it has happened before to many clubs, so believe me when I say I do sympathise. But you need to take a stand back and look at this argument which is tired, repetative and almost like watching two kiddies squabbling over the last sweetie in the pack. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which of the Kiddies are you then as you seem intent to continue to post on this tired, repetative thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) lol if you have to ask then Its really not worth me explaining This is my last comment on the subject as clearly there are some on here who are not prepared to listen to any reasoned debate at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So I take it from that, that you are right and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong. This is a SPEEDWAY FORUM, and the 4's is a topical debate. Im sorry crikey, but you are NOT in the chair on this one...... FREE THE REDCAR FOUR... stick that in your pipe and smoke it. If you do think you are the high and mighty big-wig sat at the front in your chair dishing out your opinion on fellow bored stiff minors. Then I would be the one at the back firing a pea-shooter at you and blowing raspberries Edited June 27, 2007 by cheekycobra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 And The Third man, I defend our promoter like you would defend yours, if that makes me a sheep then sobeit, if MR Chapman had organised the whole super7 thing on his own I would be the first to say hang on thats not right, BUT he is just one person in a committee is he not? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i only defend my promoter if he is right, if he isnt, i say so, look at my posts on the sheffield site. as i have said i dont blindly follow anyone, i make my own mind up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Nowhere in my post have I blamed Mr. Chapman personally for the non inclusion of the Bears however when the Super7evens were introduced he was quite happy to be presented as the 'public face' of the series and he was the one willing to come on this forum and explain (?) the original qualification process. As such he should therefore also be willing to explain now on behalf of the commitee why the qualification rules have been totally ignored for the restaging of the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 This is my last comment on the subject as clearly there are some on here who are not prepared to listen to any reasoned debate at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've presented facts and figures to show why Redcar should be in the Fours, you've said 'Your not in it so lump it' Reasoned debate ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 "All the moaning and groaning will not change the organisers minds, and AFAIK it's a committee that makes the choices and rules is it not, not just one person! " Not so "MR Chapman had organised the whole super7 thing on his own I would be the first to say hang on thats not right, BUT he is just one person in a committee is he not?" No "If the case is that there is a committee, and I have knowledge of committee's as I have chaired a lot of them, the majority vote decisions count, regardless of how the minority feel" Definately not in this case, absolutely not in this case, quite categorically not in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 "All the moaning and groaning will not change the organisers minds, and AFAIK it's a committee that makes the choices and rules is it not, not just one person! " Not so "MR Chapman had organised the whole super7 thing on his own I would be the first to say hang on thats not right, BUT he is just one person in a committee is he not?" No "If the case is that there is a committee, and I have knowledge of committee's as I have chaired a lot of them, the majority vote decisions count, regardless of how the minority feel" Definately not in this case, absolutely not in this case, quite categorically not in this case <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats the point in carrying on this debate. Crikey has grabbed his ball and taken it home to sit on his chair. Im just glad that as he walked of the "jumpers for goal-posts" pitch, I picked up a big chunk of mud and chucked it at the back of his head. FREE THE REDCAR FOUR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 FREE THE REDCAR FOUR. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> plus reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekycobra Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 ok, so people want qualifiers back, i know i do, i used to enjoy them. there are 15 teams in the PL, we used to have groups of 4 in the qualifiers, the numbers don't go. so what do we do, have 3 groups of 5? thats called the premier trophy and it's been done. are the qualifiers meant to be regional like they used to be? is that the fairest way to do it, or should there be a draw where you could get a group of Somerset - Glasgow - Workington - Kings Lynn. not really a money spinner is it, and that used to be the main reason for having the regional qualifiers. so what are the ideas for the qualifiers? how do they get worked out? what would people like to see? no matter what happens, you are always going to upset people, it will never work out how it 'should', teams won't qualify that 'should', and people will always moan about it on this forum. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I was the BOSS. I'd do away with myself and my fellow panel having to shoot ourselves in the foot by putting on ourselves the option of having to choose or take away teams from a sporting tournament. The premier league (or national league) has never had an easy 16 teams to run qualifers, but we always had them. This season 3 groups of 5 would have worked, it would just have meant an extra 4 races to each meeting to fit 5 teams in. The top 3 teams and the best runners up to the final. 4 teams in a final not 8. Keep it simple. Its only one extra meeting a season for each team to fit in (at home) ....see easy. The 4's qualifers were always something fresh and different to look forward to, to break up the endless league meetings (not that I'm complaning with league meetings). The 4's isnt the same as the Prem trophy as its totally different format. Looking to next season there will (at a guess) be 17 teams so 3 groups of 4 and one of 5... (Or 4 x 4 and drop Newcastle ) easy-peasy. If you are going to have a tournament and a final, let the sport decide who gets to that final, not have some bloke deciding who gets in and who does'nt. Thats why this season has been a shambles and has given fans a reason to complain. If we had qualifiers and my team didnt qualify for whatever reason, then so be it. End of story. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Anyway, as those above have made this competition what it is, for this season. Then I'm going to carry on and say... Redcar have been robbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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