uncle albert Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 i can remember when the british final was a meeting that meant something what do you gain by being british chump now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 A sense of well-being, peace and harmony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Yawn. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree, its getting really boring not knowing the rules for the "super 7" events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Have to say that I am disappointed with No Andre Compton, but there you go there is usually one rider who is gets left out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Of course the best solution would be to have proper qualifying rounds. Base qualification on start averages, due to inequality in the number of matches riders may have ridden when the matches come around. It's a clear and well-defined cut off date for riders to set a qualifying average. The top 42 Brits in the averages qualify. That the top 40 plus two reserves for the first round. Round 1 features the lowest averaging 18 riders. A standard 16 rider format, with two reserves. Straight forward 5 rides each and winner takes all. The top 8 from this meeting qualify direct into one of two semis, plus one of the 9th and 10th placed riders going forward as reserve. Each semi features 12 of the top 24 averaging riders plus 4 of the top 8 from round 1. Same format again. The top 8 from each of the semis go forward to the final. The 9th placed rider from each semi goes forward as reserve for the final. Same format again. The riders place in each round is determined by a random draw (where applicable). In the event that a rider is unable to ride due to illness or injury a reserve takes his place. The place of the reserve is taken by the next highest placed rider in the previous round. In the event of riders being tied on points for a rostrum place there will be a run off. In the event of a tie for qualifying positions there will be a run off. In the event that a reserve from a previous round in needed to be promoted to a later round his place will be decided by 'count-back' (as applicable). Round 1 Lowest 16 + 2 reserves. Top 8 qualify + 4 reserves for the semi finals. Semi 1 Half of the highest 24 averaging riders + Half of the qualifiers from round 1 (decided by random draw) (12+4=16 +2 reserves) Top 8 qualify direct. 9th placed goes forward as reserve. Semi 2 Other half of the highest 24 averaging riders + Other half of the qualifiers from round 1 (decided by random draw) Top 8 qualify direct 9th placed goes forward as reserve. Final Top 8 from each of the semi finals + 2 reserves (1 from each semi) No doubt there'd be moans about too many meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Have to say that I am disappointed with No Andre Compton, but there you go there is usually one rider who is gets left out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed, not having qualifying meetings is less than ideal. Seems Mr Compton has been overlooked due to his reluctance to ride in the EL. Can see both sides to this argument. People like Hall, Allen and Bridger who ply their trade in the top flight would I imagine be mightily p*ssed off if a PL rider was seeded ahead of them. However you would think Compton would have a good chance of qualifying amongst them through a Semi Final or suchlike. Good to see the youngsters seeded through from the Under 21 final too, they need this type of experience to aid their development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I can see the argument for someone such as Compton, but I think that those brave enough to go full time EL should be rewarded for that. Surely the aim, ultimately, is to have as many Brits as possible riding at as high a level as possible. Offering incentives such as a shot at the British Final should encourage the next generation to follow in the wheel tracks of riders such as Olly and Lewis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Couldn't agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemma Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I see the BSPA site shows that sense has prevailed and the Cardiff wild card will be the 2007 British Final winner. Or if the winner is a rider already in the the GP series, the next best placed rider will get it. Full story here: http://www.british-speedway.co.uk/news.php?extend.640 So all that's left for me to say is, go for it Howie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Tai Woffiden will make the final. No pressure Tai... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apologies if appearing a dumbass here, but isn't he an Aussie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Apologies if appearing a dumbass here, but isn't he an Aussie? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hes in the meeting. But no-one really knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Ok, as clear as everything else in the sport at the moment then. I'll buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I see the BSPA site shows that sense has prevailed and the Cardiff wild card will be the 2007 British Final winner. Or if the winner is a rider already in the the GP series, the next best placed rider will get it. Full story here: http://www.british-speedway.co.uk/news.php?extend.640 So all that's left for me to say is, go for it Howie! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The next two highest in the Final go into the Cardiff GP as reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jacques Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Apologies if appearing a dumbass here, but isn't he an Aussie? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is half Aussie and half english as far as I'm aware....I also seem to recall it being mentioned on the forum sometime ago that he had declared to ride for Australia, looks like that wasn't the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Tai has dual nationality and can currently ride for either country until he has to choose his nationality when he turns 18! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Ah OK, thanks. Seems an oddity but then this is speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Tai has dual nationality and can currently ride for either country until he has to choose his nationality when he turns 18! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course the irony of the whole thing is that he has made a declaration, but it doesn't mean jack until he's 18. He's just taking up a place that could be given to a Brit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFI THURSDAY Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Of course some elite riders may be annoyed if a premier rider was seeded through(Andre Compton).But in this case then what is Havvy in it for,hes been out seriously injured for a while now and isnt he a premier rider.Sorry Havvy,not having a go at you just wanted to know the reasoning behind it!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 (edited) Of course the irony of the whole thing is that he has made a declaration, but it doesn't mean jack until he's 18. He's just taking up a place that could be given to a Brit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But 21st, From the under 21 thread... 'Tai was worth every bit of the entrance fee alone'... Do we want to alienate Tai for being just that little bit special? No. Gives him more track time for when hes a fully fledged Wulf also Edited May 26, 2007 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Of course some elite riders may be annoyed if a premier rider was seeded through(Andre Compton).But in this case then what is Havvy in it for,hes been out seriously injured for a while now and isnt he a premier rider.Sorry Havvy,not having a go at you just wanted to know the reasoning behind it!!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A very good point. I can only think it's due to previous performances and he's heading towards his last chance to have a ride in this meeting. That's a total guess, and I'm not suggesting that I necessarily agree. But 21st, From the under 21 thread... 'Tai was worth every bit of the entrance fee alone'... Do we want to alienate Tai for being just that little bit special? No. Gives him more track time for when hes a fully fledged Wulf also <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nicki is entertaining, and a Wolves rider. Should he be invited to take part? Tai has made it perfectly clear that he wants to be considered an Aussie. He's taking someone else's place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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